Katherine Zappone Envoy Gig

What you are describing is an open democracy where there are no political parties and everyone has a free vote all the time.

That is not our system.

Do you ever vote for a political party? Because if you do, that is what you sign up to.

I am referring to what Micheal Martin is doing. It is a form of abusing the system. It is there to protect them also. But it doesn't seem the abuse of it atm is correct.

But so be it. I call I'm tired, and 'I was mistaken' .And apparently we all learn from them and get cured.

I don't mind being the one to have to break this to you. But 'Mansplaining' is simply a 'man' and that he is 'explaining' something, whether or not Charlie from the BBC decides to put up a graph, or Miranda states it's good for the dictionary, it is a man - explaining something. I'm not about to look through that graphic or the dictionary. But I did see in your own post:

So it is exactly as I said. According to your post.

I said:

However, I did notice you ignored the relevant part (to this thread) of my post.

Any answer on that? Get back on topic.

Everything Leo says of late is either an apology of sorts or deflection, it's got to the stage we're few if any take anything he says seriously. His credibility was shaken quite some time ago, now it's just gone 😏

Enforcing the whip is 'abusing' the system. Do you take that view if it's other parties like SF? Peader Tobin was kicked out of Sinn Fein in 2018 when he voted against the Abortion bill.

That is a hilarious definition. So anytime a man explains something, anything to anyone, in any context, THAT is mansplaining. Despite what other reputable sources say...

Who needs sources when you can just make up ad-hoc definitions on the fly, eh? Alternative facts anyone?

It's neither about growing, it's clearly not about the actual topics at hand, some pretty outlandish claims and insinuations made, some quite personal.

I'm clearly not alone in being quite disturbed by an obsession on others posts and rarely have I seen an objective argument put forward to argue the subject matter of this thread, instead resorting to baseless assumptions on a posters character, as someone said earlier, it demeans the argument.

I admitidly enjoy a bit of tounge and cheek, I don't think I've been intentially malicious towards any particular political or public figure on this Thread albeit there are times some politicians are insufferable.

I've been critical of FF, FG, Labour, SF in the past. I base my critism of facts rarely contradicted or proven false. I'm not a political junkie, just a citizen who sees what's occurred as being appalling and frankly disgusting. I also freely admit Leo Varadkar in particular has proven himself to be quite Devious generally and the contempt he has shown over many years followed by fake Empathy and empty apologies are frankly gauling.

Of course people on here entitled to have varying opinions and argue their points but it should never get personal towards another poster and clearly a line was crossed here, I don't believe by me.

I propose a Truce, get back on topic, as I've explained I'm not going to respond directly and I respectfully ask you do the same, agree to disagree without being so personal. Is it really necessary or productive, Honestly.

Morning, I wonder will the list of attendees ever be released, its clear there is a list. Whatever about personal attendees, my interest is in serving Politicians and Current Civil servants.

I get a sense certain, normally vocal TD'S have been somewhat silent and this only leads to obvious suspicion.

Perhaps someone waiting for Dail privilege to disclose details 🤔

How dare you preach about sexism to anybody.

Nobody called you out because the casual and targeted sexism about certain women is routine here. I have reported it before but no action was taken that was evident.

Nice how you use that as some kind of weird justification. 'I didn't get caught so that makes it alright'.

Morning Francie 😏

Surely the Taoiseach's office has been caught covering up here?

Looking that way 🤔 if true puts a slightly different slant on MM"s approach to these Shenanigans.

Will be curious how this latest twist develops and will there be some comments from certain FF TD'S

when Gerry Ryan was in his pomp on the radio, he had a Sil, Peter and Ned talk thing about what was going on in the news etc and at the end you were lost about what they were talking about and a lot of deflection, Marko and his buddies are like them on this thread. As for this whole mess it’s not going away and won’t be forgotten by voters due to covid. Leo telling us people what to do for the countries best interests and he and his mates pissing down the voters backs and saying it’s raining lads and ladies. This cronyism is only going to make SF and other small parties more voters in the next election with the level of TD now defending this in FFG and the greens and MM coming out and telling his people how to vote in the motion. This is making SF stronger and all Marylou has to do is get more candidates for the next election.

Attached a quick snap poll done yesterday, checked it this morning. I remain flabbergasted at FG maintaining the support they do, but look at SF, FF and particularly SD. Greens & Labour so low, I couldn't capture in image, you can see percentages on pie chart (might need glasses however) 😁

Again only a quick poll done on the Journal not truely representative nationally, but curious.

Indeed but were is the €13k coming from, was it not €15k 😏

Honestly the salary was only ever going to be the tip of the iceberg, I reckon Expense claims would have been eye watering 😏

Morning and yes 👍

Is there anything to be said for another 'lesson to be learned'? 😁