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Katherine Zappone Envoy Gig

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,143 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    OK time for bed, glad to see this is NOT going away , went a little quite in certain quarters on this thread tonight , very curious 😀

    Night all

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭jammiedodgers




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭CDarby


    I think it's slowly dawning on some people just how "independent" KZ actually was, hard to argue with the above when spelt out like that, FG nomination to Seanad Éireann, FG appointed ministerial role on her first time elected. FG trying to get her a crony US based job in the UN.

    Zappone looks like an actual FG plant, independent the same way Lowry is.


    I feel rather stupid myself now for not copping this myself earlier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,143 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,143 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,143 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,119 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Either that or allowing Zappone and FG to get shot at without them firing the bullets



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,143 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Before I go, just spotted this , NOTE THE HEADLINE 🤔


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,644 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If FF start losing their remaining core vote they may never recover. MM has a deathwish for the party.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    It looks like he is now standing on the fence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,644 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Opening the door to somebody to propose a vote of No Confidence and I reckon the SD's will if SF don't. Anyone hear of a party called Labour lately, wonder what ever happened them. 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭CDarby


    Had meant for the previous post to be my last post this evening, but looking at the replays of Simon Coveney from earlier today, I assume people are fully aware that he was simply reading off a preprepared carefully worded full of weasel words, script?

    They're laughing at us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,706 ✭✭✭touts


    There is zero chance that Leo goes to the country over Simon Convey. John Bruton didn't do it when High Covney was caught giving jobs and contracts to his mates. Leo isn't going to do it for Hugh's son doing basically the same thing.

    If Martin sacks Covney Leo wont bring down the government and lose out on being Taoiseach for the centenary of the foundation of the state and then be sitting in pole position when Ursala Von Der Leyens job comes up for grabs on a couple of years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,706 ✭✭✭touts


    Once you get the word gate added to your name your legacy is basically f*cked. Zapponegate. Zapponegate. Zapponegate. Some equality stuff. Zapponegate. Zapponegate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭jmcc


    She's a bit like FF. Trying to stay relevant in a changing market. But she's no Sarah McInerney.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Labour are hedging their bets in case FF or FG need them after the next election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,775 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Just catching up with Prime Time now and I thought that it is always interesting with these scandals to see which TDs are willing to go forward on TV and radio to defend the indefensible and come across as absolute idiots.A vote seeking TD who is always in election mode knows that their own constituents are watching them spread brazen faced lies on behalf of the Party. But despite the risk to their local political career they do it anyway because of their naked ambition to one day become a Minister and get on the gravy train themselves.

    With that in mind Im wondering what is the future for the Fine Gael party if the most ambitious people they have got are Neale Richmond and Fernando Torres? Both of them performed awfully under questioning and if they were ever made a Minister as they both clearly want then the future of Fine Gael after they get voted out of government is pretty bleak.

    Otherwise Coveneys spoofing today still hasn't buried the story which is soon about to go into its 7th week. Varadkar who shafted him is pcking his nose while maintaining radio silence and Martin is about to go into a 'think-in' where the main objective of FF will be to batter him. Should be fun times at the FG 'stab you in the back-in' for Simon Harris too, the leaker who leaked on the Leak to set this freight train of a mess into motion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Any FG TD's who are put forward on TV and radio shows, know they will be rewarded a Senate seat if they lose their TD seat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,074 ✭✭✭conorhal


    All the generals are in the bunker and sending hapless squaddies over the top to charge Mirriam's machine gun nest of questions.

    I know that's the kind of leadership that the Irish people want, leaders that lead from the rear, cowering under their desks while making panicked phone calls to Terry Prone.

    The sad thing is that we are almost inured to this and have come to expect no better.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭jmcc


    There may be too few seats to go around. Though it may seem unlikely, an SF majority government is a possibility when the crony coalition falls.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,511 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Will never happen. The last time there was an overall majority was in 1977.

    Remember you need 81 seats for an overall majority and therefore need to poll about 40% to get that. SF won't get anywhere near that, no matter what.

    They would need to be pulling 2 TD's at least in every consistency and in some 3 TD's.... not going to happen.


    Everyone and their dog knows that if SF wants to get into power, they will need Labour, the SD's and possibly a whole raft of Indo's and/or PBP who would never agree to anything given their nature.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭jmcc


    You FG types never expected SF to have more seats than FG either. After yesterday's debacle, Coveney has the political stature of a garden gnome. He was probably the best hope as a replacement for Varadkar.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    SF won't get anywhere near that, no matter what.


    I am not saying that they will, But you definitely underestimate how pissed off people are with the crony parties.

    IMO - If this coalition doesn't last, FG will tank in the next GE. FF will lose MM and might possibly keep a few votes, but Leo would have to be immaculate from now until December '22 and I can't see that happening. We still haven't got the results of the criminal investigation either. As things stand, a coalition with SF and some IND's and smaller parties likely. They will be tough but none of them happy with current situation, and if they have any sense they will see the opening and take it as their chance to shine for themselves. FG are damaged and I'd almost bet that there will be more f*ck ups before christmas.

    Could be a whole new era, things done the way the are in the rest of Europe. FG won't be able to tantrum like Leo did after the last GE ever again. 🤞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭tipptom


    You wont hear anything from Labour,afraid of their lives that awkward question will be asked of them about the Merrion victory party if they raise their heads above the parapet.

    Pity we dont have a proper media with the appetite to really investigate that little shindig



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,511 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    You can throw out all the insults you want, the fact is SF will not get an overall majority. They will need to be pulling in two TD's in EVERY consistency and 3 TD's in some which will not happen.

    Everyone knows that the next government will be a coalition government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    What we do know is that the next government will involve SF and I know that must stick in your craw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,511 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    People need to get off their phones, and off Twitter the likes. The world is not social media. Just because there is an angry echo chamber somewhere doesn't mean that is the real world.

    The government has almost 4 years left, when there is a GE this story won't even get a mention.



    Even when SF is at 30% of the polls, they are projected for 56 seats. That is 25 seats short of an overall majority. They need to be polling in the 40%+ range to even think about an overall majority.

    Even with Labour and the SD's on board, they may struggle to get over that 81 seat mark. It's going to be a broad coalition with many wants and lots of negotiations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭jmcc



    The political stature of a garden gnome. I thought it was a rather good description of the position in which Coveney finds himself. No doubt it is upsetting to you FG types but that is reality. What is not reality is your rather odd claim that SF not getting an overall majority in a GE that has not been run is a "fact".

    You don't seem to understand how the media situation has changed for FG either. Even the once reliable Sindo/Indo is no longer owned by Dinny O'Brien. Its tone has changed and even Philip Ryan is asking tough questions of the crony coalition. Communicorp, previously owned by Dinny O'Brien, has also been sold to Bauer and FG. Without the media dominance that these outlets provided, FG is struggling to get its policies and views propagated by the once colllaborationist Dublin media. The danger for FF/FG now is that SF has what the Americans refer to as "the big Mo".

    SF has political momentum. It beat FG into third place in the last GE. FG has the misfortune to be led by a serial loser who was appointed by the FG Oireachtas politburo despite the grassroots voting for Coveney in the election contest. Varadkar has led FG to one defeat after another and even managed to lose a safe seat in FG's heartland. The crony coalition may have the makings of a single party but there is a substantial number of FFers who would not be grovelling FG wannabes like Martin and faced with the termination of their political careers, they may consider defecting to SF. That is a factor that could give SF a majority after the next GE. If the defections are to start, they should do so after SF starts to consistently poll around 35% in the opinion polls and the FG wannabe Martin is not removed by FF.

    Regards...jmcc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,511 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    If that happens, a part of me will be happy out.

    It is a win-win.

    They either ride in, like the white Knights they sell themselves to be and fix all of Irelands issues in a few years (a win), or it quickly dawns on the majority of people who lent them a vote that their populist slogans and shouting antics doesn't make up for the fact that when you are in government, you have to govern, with sound policies and the like. They will be like Labour V2.0. There is no gold at the end of the rainbow. (That is another win.)

    I will bet heavily on the latter given their terrible record in the North.



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