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Topper and rushes?

  • 02-09-2021 11:15pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭


    Had cut field of rushes last year with drum mower, but and the end hit a lump of tree in ground and made poop of mower. Thinking of trying a trooper? Can it handle the rushes? There are stones in the field and I know where the tree roots are now. What hp would a 6 foot need?

    Thanks



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    Standard "cheap" topper cannot handle strong rushes but if you top often then it can keep the soft rush at bay.

    The rolls royce of toppers is the Major Cyclone Major Cyclone Rotary Shredder (major-equipment.com)

    A disc mower with topping skids will work too but they are expensive and not completely bullet proof either



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,617 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    we have a flemming semi offset 6ft, Last might I was tidying up a corner and it was cutting rushes 3ft tall. 70hp will do it.

    key is keep rpm up and ground speed low, give her time to munch away


    if there’s stones and roots I’d say get contractor in with a heavy duty mulcher to clean up the field and then a topper will be fine. Chat to them and make sure it’s a heavy duty mulcher capable of dealing with stones etc. Neighbors did this, they ground up stones, gorse, blackthorn suckers and now it’s can be topped easily. Think it was €50/acre



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    I've gotten local lad to mulch another field before. He advised go spray and then he woukd mulch when deal. Did a good job, this field can can fairly wet so was hoping to try it myself and then keep on top of it.

    Have rolled a few acres last night a will spray today. Find I gets into them after a roll.

    I'd like to top after they graze it this time. Toppers local coming in at 1500€. And expecting to go up.

    Might chance a trailer one 2nd hand.

    How much hp would an 8foot trailed need?



  • Registered Users Posts: 249 ✭✭dp639


    Yes I agree, its like anything, give the machine a chance and take it slowly, it'll get through rushes no matter how bad they are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭emaherx


    We've a basic 6ft Nugent topper about 30 years and it can handle heavy rushes without issue. 135 will drive it for most topping but a larger tractor is better if rushes are real heavy.

    Id agree the major cyclone would be a nice to have, but can't imagine too many cheap toppers couldn't cut a few rushes if used at an appropriate speed.


    We are going to re-sheet the top of the Nugent topper as it's almost see-through at this stage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭emaherx


    According to Abbey broucher a 65HP tractor is min for Abbey 8ft trailed. There'd be a bit more comfort with a slightly bigger tractor though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,440 ✭✭✭hopeso


    By all means spray today. The weather is perfect at the moment for spraying. Then leave them alone for the winter. Go out with the topper as early as you can next spring. They'll be well rotted by then and will be very easy to cut. Any regrowth will be soft and green, and will be ideal for spraying in May or June.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,864 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    I would imagine that a lift type topper would be better than a trailed type on wetter ground. Gives the option on lifting it clear. With the trailed the wheels might sink and lead to bogging. I personally find the disc mower good as the bed floats. With a topper you are relying on the two skids to support the weight and they sink the rotors sink aswell.

    Big thing is slow forward speed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,823 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Have an 8ft Abbey trailed topper here on a case 885xl. Have done very heavy rushes at slow speed no problem



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,613 ✭✭✭kk.man


    I ran a 6ft Malone on a uncle's place a few years back, great job.

    1st he Sprayed the rushes with mcpa waited 6 weeks (they died). When I went to cut them they were like match sticks. It was roughish ground so I could lift the topper easily if I encountered an osptical. Like posters here said low forward speed and plenty of revs. I took my time too.

    Uncle drained and reseeded field, not a sign of a rush 15 years later.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭ruwithme


    Great thing too about the topper for rushes is you can raise the skids for very strong ones & come a 2nd time lower if needed be.

    Topper will scatter them round a touch more too, than a disc mower which just drops them on the spot.

    I believe cut rushes are a good fertiliser for the ground,so maybe not all bad if we can keep them under a bit of control.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,356 ✭✭✭green daries


    Sharpening a topper is key to it it's very underrated



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,823 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    If the rushes are very heavy I go back over them a second time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    Cool, thanks for all advice.

    Have sprayed one field and will see how weather is for the next place they finish, if I can pick up a 6ft topper I'll try a section with that and compare.

    Will invest as will be able to go at them when ever I get chance. Stay on top of them long term. Probably way to go for weed control too. Will get few pics for compare



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    Task



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    Rolled.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Can i add a question to this please.

    A friend wants to buy a topper for a 35 tractor... what is the max size this tractor be comfortable with? He knows someone who has a 5ft but he was told the tractor a bit small for this...

    Any advice appreciated...

    OP sorry i know nothing on this topic....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭White Clover


    If you could get some lime out there in the coming week, it'd do more than any spray. Also target any dung on those fields.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭minerleague


    Depends of the lift in the tractor rather than the power to drive it, can friend borrow topper for a day? Should be able for 5 ft ( not offset one though ) if driven as slow as conditions allow ( hardly get any smaller anyway?? )



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    Ya. I've booked it for the end of week for silage field and will see if he'll put a dust there. I did put gran lime out there a few years ago and found it knocked the skin off it and made it must softer. The weather is nest it could be for it now. Will try and get as much ground covered



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    I originally hoping to put the 3000 on the topper. Maybe once it's cleared. Should be better able to travel with that for longer in the year. So usefull question



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,356 ✭✭✭green daries


    With a set of dual wheels you'd damn near float would be a smashing job



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭emaherx


    5ft should be no bother to the 35. I use the 6ft with a 135, biggest issue is my 6ft one is heavy on the back especially on a bouncy road, some weights on front could sort that though.

    Also my father in laws 10 year old 6ft Nugent topper is considerably lighter than my 30 year old Nugent topper and is shorter so weight is closer to tractor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,617 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    This field doesn’t look much like it’s for a topper. Quite uneven, be constantly breaking shear bolts.

    the second one looks like rushes are thin enough and control should work well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭emaherx


    I'd top that without breaking one. I rarely have rushes break shear bolts. Going too hard, reving up too quick and hitting something solid are the only things I find break bolts. I've no shortage of rough ground with rushes but would use less than 1 bolt a year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    I'll have to spray this one as I don't know what stones and where there are. Did cut this back in 2019 I think with drum mower. So could try with topper with 2 passes. But will spray and that field is dry enough so should travel over winter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    I'll be learning with it so will go direct to the fields that I know they lay of the land and spray the ones I'm not certain and topper next year or later in year if rushes die back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭tellmeabit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭jaginsligo


    On the subject of rushes, what's the lastest the can be licked & what's the earliest (time of the year)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    Depends on what chemical you are using, for licking you can use the Roundup Bioactive all year round. In Summer you can use the cheap roundup clones along with a sticker (I use fairy washing up liquid).

    Spraying is a different matter, the best rush kill I got was when I sprayed late September in a dry spell with MCPA, by spring time all that was left was black dead rush. The best routine is to cut first early in the year then hit them with the spray a few months later.

    At the end of the day it's a War which is ongoing continuously. land Poaching is the biggest enemy and will see the return of the rush. If you get a field clear of them you still have to mind the field or it'll be back to square one in no time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,641 ✭✭✭Cavanjack




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,617 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Wouldn’t be afraid of the rushes, uneven ground on 6ft blade can catch and break flails or shear bolts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    Reduce them anyway

    True or not rushes supposedly need wet or acidic soil



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭White Clover


    As Hard Knocks has said, rushes like low ph soils.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Would want to be seriously rough rocky ground to break flails, the land in the photos doesn't look that bad, although there are what looks like a few obvious mounds that can be just avoided.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭White Clover


    I have heard my father say that heavy applications of lime in years past did soften the skin on the fields. I have been getting it spread at 1.75 - 2 Tonne per acre with the last 10 years and I haven't encountered that problem yet.

    It's important that the contractor understands how you want it spread. Have gates open and fields/quantities planned beforehand to make it as efficient as possible for the contractor. This helps alot with getting them to spread it how You want it spread!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,613 ✭✭✭kk.man


    I could see the skins thining during a wet time after an application of lime. Stock on it would make it messy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭White Clover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    Plenty wet, plenty acidic, peaty soil but last test, probably only test said 13t per ha. What should I try get out per acre?

    Some of the 2nd field is brown earthy stuff and more is black peat.

    Have some smashing old oak roots, I'm assuming that's what there are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    Ya had stock on it too late that year as it was in such good form grass wise. Hopefully be able to sell a few this year before it gets too wet. Hard to part with them



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,440 ✭✭✭hopeso


    2 ton to the acre maximum in a single application



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,823 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Ordered lime here yesterday. Didn't get to put any out this time last year as it was too wet. 2 ton to the acre



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,823 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Yes. Did the whole farm last back end



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭endainoz


    +1 on the cyclone, have had one for a few years and can't recommend it enough. Works great for topping a place quickly and has no bother going through handy sized furze aswell. A great yoke to clean up a place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,408 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    We are looking at a new topper in the medium term and more likely a disc mower as the ground is mostly in grass - or will be in grass after some reseeding. Are topping skids hard on the bed as it would have potential to flex as it is raised off ground (not having seen one)?

    What is the price point of MJ31-250 or MJ31-280?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    The skids go under each disc or most of them so there is no flexing of the bed. /the skids are not that easy to be putting on and off the mower if you intend using for cutting hay/silage as well as doing topping.

    Unless you have good even ground I wouldn't be going with the disc mower for topping rushes as the land that rushes grow on tends to be rough and hard on machinery. idk the price point of them toppers but make sure to get the correct one for your tractor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,408 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Ok - I thought the skids sat on each end of the bed, so that makes more sense and is a better system. tractor would be good enough for either of them toppers. Would those Cyclone toppers cut as cleanly as a disc mower or would they still be hacking the grass down like a normal topper?

    It'll just be for topping stemmy grass after the cattle. The places in rushes are going to be drained and reseeded in the next few years - so should be minimal rush cutting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭endainoz


    I'm not sure what you mean by hacking grass down, but for regular topping the cyclone leaves a nice finish provided the blades are kept relatively sharp. Breaks down the grass/rush so it rots down into the ground more quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,408 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Normal toppers have a reputation for not cutting cleanly in comparison to a disc mower.

    Disc's give a better finish and better regrowth - reportedly. From what I've been reading if the ground is not rushy/stoney then a disc mower is a better job - cuts cleaner which promotes better regrowth. How true that is I don't know. However, I like the look of the cyclone.



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