Katherine Zappone Envoy Gig

Floppybits · 02-09-2021 12:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837587#Comment_117837587

FG's credibility is in the doldrums. They can't be trusted to put the cat out. Everything they have done since the beginning of this government has turned to crap.

blanch152 · 02-09-2021 12:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837627#Comment_117837627

Nothing in any of those links points to any lie by Leo Varadkar. In fact, the texts appear to back up his version of the story and certainly show that the appointment was in train by civil servants well before he knew anything about it.

Richard Hillman · 02-09-2021 12:15PM

I don't think Varadkar has that much to answer.

Coveney definitely does. Deleting messages. The hacking of his phone, did he report it? He has held positions like minister of defence and foreign minister. This is a serious issue. Unless it didn't happen at all.

The appointment of somebody into the UN specifically on LGBT issues at a time when there were issues in regards to Hungary and Poland. She most definitely wasn't getting that job to have a pop at Saudi Arabia or Iran. They were appointing somebody to go to the UN to have digs at countries within the EU.

Suckit · 02-09-2021 12:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837674#Comment_117837674

The headline says that he knew about the Zappone job earlier than claimed..

The headline. Even if you didn't read the rest of the article in the first link, the headline says there were lies.

That aside, it reads like Leo knew exactly what he was doing when he asked Coveney the next day "“Do you know anything about her becoming our LGBT envoy?", as the KZ text seems to imply Leo knew what she was referring to, but when he asks SC, it reads like he is implying he doesn't.

Such underhandedness, Plenty of practice with texts seeing as his other ones are still under criminal investigation.

FrancieBrady · 02-09-2021 12:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837674#Comment_117837674

I'm assuming here that the Minister/Tanaiste is responsible for anything his department or Fine Gael puts out on his behalf. Particularly in relation to things only he can know himself.

His department issued a statement saying that he didn't know about the appointment until 27th

Fine Gael had previously said Mr Varadkar and other Fine Gael Ministers were first made aware of the appointment on July 27th, just before the Cabinet meeting that approved Ms Zappone for the UN role.

We now know that is a lie/untrue/a fudge/porky/misdirection etc etc or whatever you want to call it.

expectationlost · 02-09-2021 12:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837738#Comment_117837738

Fine Gael had previously said Mr Varadkar and other Fine Gael Ministers were first made aware of the appointment on July 27th, just before the Cabinet meeting that approved Ms Zappone for the UN role.

did we not already know (even before the committee meeting) that Varadkar knew about this before the other FG Ministers...

Loafing Oaf · 02-09-2021 01:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117834058#Comment_117834058

Or because her appointment to that UN job turned out to be a piglet in a poke for all concerned

(not a full-grown pig because not such a big deal at the end of the day)

blanch152 · 02-09-2021 01:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837749#Comment_117837749

Do you have a link to this statement? Can't find anything on the Department's website.

Larbre34 · 02-09-2021 01:05PM

Leo Varadkar will still be Tánaiste and Simon Coveney still Minister for FA and Defence in this Government come the turn of the year, because a) this is the greatest load of overblown nonsense of silly season and b) none of FG, FF or the Greens can afford, politically or financially, a general election before the mandatory date of early 2025.

Shebean · 02-09-2021 01:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837401#Comment_117837401

So he/she allegedly got the elbow for that but Varadkar and Coveney lying, is okay?

blanch152 · 02-09-2021 01:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837738#Comment_117837738

What a convoluted conspiracy you weave.

Zappone asks Varadkar about whether he knows anything about an appointment as envoy, says no, then asks the relevant minister about it, and you seem to think that it is all pretence because they knew about it already!!!!!

Shebean · 02-09-2021 01:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837963#Comment_117837963

If so....because FG don't do accountability and Martin wants to keep the top spot.

Ministers lying and creating makey up jobs for cronies is a big deal.

I think despite FG's best efforts, Varadkar and Coverney are finished in politics after this sham from day one coalition collapses. The longest this coalition will last will be up to Martin's last day, if not before.

Martin putting his ego above his pride and Ryan liking the prestige are the only things keeping this coalition together.

FrancieBrady · 02-09-2021 01:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837957#Comment_117837957

According to the article, Fine Gael made this statement on his behalf. They couldn't make that statement truthfully without consulting Varadkar about what he knew. Either Varadkar lied to FG or FG lied in their statement. I presume the IT is not lying about it.

Strumms · 02-09-2021 01:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837574#Comment_117837574

They were always a grim bunch, this whole episode proves it...they’ve had the audacity to go after politicians and parties of other less then desirable standards like wolves but this ? Seriously they have absolutely zero credibility.

Economics101 · 02-09-2021 01:20PM

I'm sure that all political parties are great fans of a strict enforcement of FOI rules when they are in opposition, and are hostile to FOI a lot of the time when they are in Government. That's just human nature, it's not purely an FG thing.

It reminds me of the huge faux outrage by US Republicans about Hillary Clinton ("The e-mails, the e-mails!"). Could the opposition concentrate on policies, whether developing their own, or on proper critical analysis of the Government?

Muahahaha · 02-09-2021 01:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837963#Comment_117837963

If it is such a load of overblown nonsense then why are you even here wasting your time discussing it? Always amazes me how the 'nothing to see here' brigade want to discuss a topic they claim that is actually nothing. Its almost like it is the most frequently used tool in the FG debating box, when you have no counter argument just claim there is 'nothing to see here'. Its old, its tired and its dated yet as sure as the sky is blue it gets trotted out by government supporters on here time and time again.

Maybe your time would be better spent contacting the Foreign Affairs & Defence commitee to tell them its nothing and they need to call off their questioning of Coveney next week? Or the numerous journalists covering the story? After all Larbre34 on Boards knows theres nothing to see here so that should be good enough for them. Let us know how you get on 👍️

McMurphy · 02-09-2021 01:34PM

Someone summed it up well on Twitter yesterday when I seen a tweet saying something along the lines of us, not actually having a 3 way coalition govt at all, we've 3 separate party's working independently of each other, constantly trying to undermine each other, and with FG in particular, using the rest as cannon fodder.

Floppybits · 02-09-2021 01:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117838179#Comment_117838179

Since day one of this government FG, especially Varadkar, have looked to undermine it and make Micheal Martin look weak and incompetent. Admittedly making Micheal Martin look weak and incompetent is not that hard. The question will FF do the same when Varadkar takes over, are FF silently sitting there cursing and muttering under their breath just waiting for their chance of revenge on FG?

Economics101 · 02-09-2021 01:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117838099#Comment_117838099

So you seem to want this discussion to be left to those who think there is something dreadfully serious going on? Do you feel better if those who don't agree with you just p*ss off, and you are left in your own echo chamber of outrage?

blanch152 · 02-09-2021 02:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117838062#Comment_117838062

Duirt bean liom etc. You still don't have any link to what was said in the statement, nor do you have a shred of evidence that the texts contradict the earlier statement, you just went ahead and called Leo a liar based on no evidence.

blanch152 · 02-09-2021 02:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117838099#Comment_117838099

I enjoy showing up the ridiculousness of the self-important posts focussing on minute details of texts in order to claim "gotcha" moments or the outlandish claims on general elections and major shifts that might see a shift of 1% either way in the next opinion poll before being forgotten about (we had the Leo is a liar on no evidence this morning, the pathetic reposting of a Cosgrave tweet, not to mention the conspiracy theory that they were sending texts to hide the fact they already knew about it). It passes time while at a Teams meeting and gives me a laugh. Surely, that is enough reason to post?

02-09-2021 02:12PM

Interesting tweet from Fionnan Sheahan below

https://twitter.com/fionnansheahan/status/1433428615287349253

FrancieBrady · 02-09-2021 02:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117838345#Comment_117838345

I have no reason to disbelieve the IT. If you can prove they are lying/depending on hearsay/gossip and FG did not say what the IT claims, I am all ears.

blanch152 · 02-09-2021 02:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117838377#Comment_117838377

Have the Irish Times called Leo a liar then? I must have missed that too. Come back to me with the link to the Irish Times calling Leo a liar and I might answer you.

Floppybits · 02-09-2021 02:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117838361#Comment_117838361

What a completely pathetic post that is.

FrancieBrady · 02-09-2021 02:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117838385#Comment_117838385

I never said they did blanch. I, called it a lie. And I see no reason to change that.

blanch152 · 02-09-2021 02:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117838408#Comment_117838408

So you, an anonymous internet poster without any first-hand evidence, can call Leo a liar, even though the paper of record, the Irish Times, has not done so, even though they have any first-hand evidence available, and we should believe you over the Irish Times. Understand completely now.

Muahahaha · 02-09-2021 02:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117838361#Comment_117838361

Werent you the poster who this morning was crying on here about GDPR breaches in relation to these texts? And then it had to be pointed out to you that it was Varadkar himself who released the texts and GDPR doesnt even enter the equation? And then when it was pointed out you did your usual disappearing act.

And yet here you are talking about "ridiculous posts", take a look in the mirror blanch 👍️

McMurphy · 02-09-2021 02:33PM

https://twitter.com/fionnansheahan/status/1433428615287349253?t=41IF73RPAkEOY-3Ri_vw2Q&s=19

👀👀👀

First Varadkar, under criminal investigation, possibly Coveney could be too.

Law and order party.

02-09-2021 02:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117838427#Comment_117838427

If varadkar deosnt want to be called a lier,he shouldnt be going about telling lies about everything else

Seems perfectly reasonable to me,that he would lie about this.....why do you all of a sudden.think a noted lier (and corrupt politian),is all of a sudden truthful......surely its wise to err on side of disbelief,given his previous carryon?

The irish times,is not a paper of record🤣🤣🤣,anyone whom thinks their carryon with recent by-election is anything approaching appropriate/balanced has completly lost touch with reality,to a worrying degree

Katherine Zappone Envoy Gig

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