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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    As they stand with 38 members I don't think they will be and it sounds more like memos via the CMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,507 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    It's only a variant of interest at this stage. Not really worth an article.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It's only a worry if it becomes a variant of concern(VOC).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,509 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    for where I work remote working has been a godsend. We've always had remote working but the total would have been maybe a 1,000 when now we have about 80,000 working from home. A lot of us have really embraced it and to be honest we've gotten a lot more done than in the office.

    I know some teams are going back in Sept but our team won't be. The big fancy office area they had built just for our team is enclosed and hence its the highest risk area in there so its now being dismantled. Company has expanded the use of hot desks with dual monitors so people can come and go as they please.

    Another benefit is the money the company has saved from not having to power entire facilities. Remote working has also enabled them to close smaller offices they were leasing as those workers now transition to full time remote working.



  • Posts: 695 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its not about the office economy, thats part of it, its about what suits employers bottom line and unless you are a public servant this is what matters, if employer cant make money you lose your job.

    Fir many people home working doesnt work, they are stuck in bedrooms in shared accomodation for hours everyday, this will be so depressing and so bad for young people entering the workforce, it isnt a healthy normal wsy to live or work, it was an emergency tesponse snd that emergency is now over.

    So either WFH goes or employer takes responsibility to kit out homes properly,ie 7000 euros per staff member, if not employer will be sued for back pain, repetitive strain injury, negative effect on mental health etc, WFH cannot continue in its present form with people lying on beds with laptops because there isnt room in some bedrooms for a suitable workstation.

    It will be the responsibility of the employer to inspect the WFH set up to ensure its adequate and if its not then employer pays to rectify that or else tells employee to return to the office.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,259 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Yeah... doesn't look good.

    On one side, things are being pushed to open everything back up, on another daily corona cases are high, then coupled with the fact cold months of winter ahead.

    Interesting cocktail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭joe40


    Is widescale working from home (on a global scale) not a big worry for Ireland as a country that depends so much on FDI. I think someone mentioned it earlier but why would a foreign owned company pay Irish level wages if a worker in a lower paid country could do the same job wfh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭bennyineire


    I've been in a pub twice this year and TBH nothing really attracts me about going back anytime soon. Some of my friends have set up home bars and most of them just go there now. The current setup in the pubs is frankly crap and no craic.

    Indeed I'm not sure the Pub trade will ever recover to what it was, there will be a lot of closures for sure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,531 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    I know NPHET have run more models to influence the latest recommendations and while I know they have a patchy track record on modelling outputs I would have some caveats in the back of my mind on any kind of predictions for the winter.

    I spoke with a friend yesterday and he described how his mother still gets all her shopping delivered and leaves it untouched in the utility room overnight. She’s extremely careful about socialising, avoiding settings with crowds etc

    I know this is anecdotal and many would believe over vigilant but I can help but wonder how many other, mainly older people, are acting with this level of caution?

    I have a friend who manages a few pubs and he said indoor footfall is nothing like it used to be, obviously there are clear reasons for that now but maybe the sight of packed pubs this Christmas will be limited to mainly young people in the usual weekend hotspots and far less in smaller, rural and urban pubs

    These behaviours are impossible predict but they could have a big influence on what many believe to be a massive flu season in the next few months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭bloopy


    What is gone wrong with Pat Kenny?

    Was just listening to him on the way into work and he seems to have gone a bit off the deep end.

    Even the guests seemed to be trying to carefully pick their words in case they set him off.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Already happened in a lot of areas

    Might accelerate it alright



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    That's COVID psychosis, a little studied phenomenon that causes some people to become completely obsessive or very irrational!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Fûck me, this tweet by Daniel McConnell has really got the bed wetters going!

    also why in the name of god is that psychopath Tomas Ryan allowed on Tv!! ISAG are pitiful disgusting human beings!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Tomás Ryan gets airtime for the same reason that the Adrian Kennedy phoneshow had regulars with ridiculous opinions that they'd bring in to get the show heated up; because it gets the phoneline hopping.

    It's a trick as old as time.

    Unfortunately Dr. Ryan doesn't realise that he's a clown in a circus being made to perform for the amusement of others. He clearly doesn't understand human beings at all or the complexity of social and economic systems. His point has always been that, "We can just keep everything locked down until we eradicate this virus". And he thinks the only reason we're not doing it is greed or incompetence.

    The sad part is that he's a research scientist who absolutely refuses to accept any data or study which doesn't fit his own opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,643 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,982 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Sweet jesus, 7000 euro to fit our a home office?

    Like, it's a desk, a chair and a monitor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It's not a VOC, just a variant of interest so relax.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,139 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Its the early closing time that puts people off. Some people have this idea that we want to go out and drink but its not actually true, what people really want to do is go out and socialise. So some idiot says "You can drink plenty before 11.30" but they are really missing the point.

    I haven't been out since indoor pubs reopened because I have no interest in having drinks and then going home at 11.30, so I just don't go out to a pub at all, when that restriction is removed I will absolutely go back out again.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Been over and over this so many times. People set up this strawman that everyone wants 100% WFH. The surveys actually show that not many want that (c 10%). Most (c.70-80%) want a mix. Yes, 100% WFH needs proper assessment and support. But hybrid working has been going on for years in most large companies. I have not been in the office more than 3 days a week for a decade. And it doesn’t take inspections or organisational investment. Just some online learning and questionnaires and a couple hundred euro for a mouse or 2nd screen. It was a trend before Covid and Covid will have just accelerated it. My deal now, permanently, is 2 days in the office, 3 at home. And the employer doesn’t have to inspect anything to do with my home setup



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭JDD


    Weirdly, it's sort of attracted me more to go out to a pub. I suffer from terrible hangovers, and also a complete inability to resist just one more drink as it gets later into the night. The last two nights I've gone out I've had a great time with friends, and while I was disappointed that the bar closed at 11.30 it meant I didn't have four more drinks or bought a round of shots or something stupid. While I did have a hangover the next day, I wasn't dying.

    That probably says more about my relationship with alcohol than it does about whether restrictions should or shouldn't be in place. But I've liked the earlier closing time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,139 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Yes, this is now more about certain people who prefer working from home and are using covid as a way to push for it, to suit their own ends.

    I'd say more people are scared of having to get their ass properly dressed in the morning than they are of covid 19.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nah, just have better things to do with my time than commute. If people don’t mind the commute (or maybe even enjoy it) good for them, but I don’t roll that way. So good that it now only has to be done twice a week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,139 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    But thats the point, this has nothing to do with covid 19, its about people who want to change their own circumstances and are using covid as an excuse to do it.

    Don't want to travel in the morning? Shout about unsafe distance between desks and pretend to be scared of coming close to fellow employees, hint that if you ever catch a virus ever again that its the employer who will be liable. Job done. (in your pyjamas).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    And we're getting rid of masks on October 22 as well. Just in time for a long winter indoors.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Covid is a disruptor. And disruptors should be taken advantage of, in business or any aspect of life, in order to improve things. In this case, should be used to accelerate a trend that was already underway (with the underlying driver being technology). Most people (those who were not already doing it) have realised that hybrid working is a possible long term option, and people, over time, will migrate to the companies that offer it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    Waking up today to see and hear so many people in the media, community etc resistant to the idea of October 22nd. Fearful and calling it wreckless. And it's still seven weeks away. Ive always taken the pandemic seriously, and would have my doubts coming into winter but my god are we a nation of hysterical bedwetters. So many can't move on and will never be ready.

    It makes sense why deep down we really did need and want the Catholic Church back in the day to tell us what to do and engrain sin, guilt and fear into us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,266 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    What are you charging for a pint? That might have something to do with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    There will be no more 'Lockdown' there may well be a rebranded, renamed 'Circuit Breaker' or 'Fire Break' implemented to protect hospitals if/when hospitals are overrun I'm guessing.

    What I find interesting about this whole pandemic is how medicalised it has become rather than heath driven. We all know that getting our health, fitness, diet etc in order can be a really effective tool to enable each of us to deal with infection and recover with natural immunity but it is rarely stated. Doctors now just keep prescribing pill after pill to patients without giving advise on being healthy.

    Sister in law is morbidly obese- has been prescribed a ton of medications, when she goes back the doc he checks blood pressure, asks a few questions and says 'that's better, keep doing what your doing.' never a word about how weight will effect her health- most of the meds could be done away with if she was a healthy weight I'm pretty certain. I know a couple of other that have similar situations- I wonder are doctors not allowed to tell it how it is with regards to obesity nowadays?

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,982 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Yep. Everyone just looking for their own angle.

    I'd say the complaints are 50-50 between;

    a) Oh, so NOW employers are going to insist we come back to the office after we saved their asses by working from home so well the last 18 months? Typical.

    and

    b) Oh, so NOW employers are going to keep us at home so they can save on rent and electricity without passing the savings onto the staff? Typical.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 788 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    I can't really find much clarification on this.


    Mask mandate lifted in certain work and leisure sectors from 22nd October, grand. But not in retail, grand.


    What about hospitality? Pub workers, restaurant workers etc? Will they still be required to wear masks in work from 22nd?


    I work in that sector and while I'll wear a mask as long as is necessary with no complaints, I'm unsure if this guidance means I'll need to continue after 22nd or if it'll be optional



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