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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    That's completely incorrect and you know it, not the biggest fan of Nphet but of course they were needed, are you just spewing nonsense for likes or something or are you really that uninformed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 632 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    Listening to Brendan O'Connor now announcing the papers reporting the lifting of restrictions.

    Head of the vaccination programme on talking about wrapping it up, hitting 90% & picking up any stragglers.

    Dare we dream it's over



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,498 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    NPHET consistently used the bluntest tools available to steer us through this. At no point did they ever offer creative solutions that indicated that they had any trust in the public.

    My personal opinion here of course but I always got the impression that they didn’t have a high opinion of the majority of the people in the country. Some would perhaps just see this as simply an abundance of caution.

    Their lack of trust in the public manifested itself in the primary use of fear as a tool to ensure compliance. For me this is where a line was crossed. We had the state broadcaster working with NPHET and advocacy groups to shift the Overton window in an attempt to shape and create boundary’s of acceptable discourse and public opinion.

    I think Ireland is somewhat of an outlier in Europe. We were the only country airing daily briefings to announce cases and deaths for long periods during the pandemic. We even had a special guest at one of the briefings. A doctor who had a bad case of Covid and lived to recount his harrowing tale. We had a CMO using his personal Twitter account to express his disgust at people socialising outdoors resulting in police baton charges 24 hours later. We absolutely crippled the hospitality industry far more than was necessary in my opinion.

    I’m all too aware that a huge proportion of the public and indeed posters here had no issues with how this was managed and I’ve no interest in getting into a back and forth about it but I would hope that a time will come where some questions can be publicly put to the government, NPHET and the state broadcaster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,439 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    With a majority of restrictions looking likely to be fully phased out before winter, we’ve the ISAG mouth piece as of late giving lectures daily on Twitter. I actually feel sorry for her, I know her field is architecture and specialist in air filtration but she’s been totally brainwashed, by ISAG!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,036 ✭✭✭jackboy


    It’s not over. They need to get started on boosters before we have a problem. If we do that the impact of covid this winter could be very small. If we hold off we could end up with NPHET being back and more restrictions.

    one thing we should have learned from the pandemic is not to ignore what is going on in other countries. If Israel and the US are going for boosters you can be damn sure we need to get cracking with them also.



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    I’m sure isag will be on Pravda/rte next week spouting non stop fear.tiresome and a scandal.would love to know where there funds we’re coming from.no doubt Gerry Killeen will be sharpening his Hurley to pull hard on the non believers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭floorpie


    RTE's article looks to have completely misinterpreted the study's findings. The scope of the study is exclusively in vaccinated people.

    Even the title of Oxford's press release on this paper purposely misinterprets the findings regarding Oxford vaccine (1 guess as to why they do this)

    Covid-19, not vaccination, presents biggest blood clot risks | University of Oxford

    The bad science, dumb media, and vested interests in COVID-19 research are getting so tiresome. Why isn't RTE instead reporting that the risk of heart attack or stroke is higher for 70+ year olds following vaccination with the Oxford vaccine, compared to getting COVID-19, instead of copy pasting Oxford's press release saying the vaccine is safer than COVID-19 in this regard? Tiresome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    NPHET will not be back, we now know what to do and it will be the DoH (and the CMO!) and the HSE who will do so if required. Boosters are more likely to be very targeted this winter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,036 ✭✭✭jackboy


    I wouldn’t bet on any of that. Looking at other countries we could be heading for something bad if we don’t start doing widespread boosters. As ever though, we will be reactive knowing that we can just do another lockdown.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    NPHET were set up for an emergency, that emergency is over. The only talk of boosters is for special groups, in other words people who need it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,036 ✭✭✭jackboy


    We don’t know yet who will need the boosters, which is why we must start getting that going ASAP. We also don’t know if the emergency is over. This is the first Covid winter with vaccines so there are many unknowns. Fair enough next year we will be in a far better place information wise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    NHs, some frontline workers and maybe some of Groups 4 & 7, based on risks will be considered. Population-wide is a waste of vaccines and will be a lot harder to sell especially amongst the more healthy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,130 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    That is a purely political announcement tbh. If it's a real disbandment, is far too soon, especially when we are in the midst of a wave that hasn't yet peaked.

    However it isn't one. The functions that Nphet performed are just going to be absorbed into the permanent structures in the department of health.

    In either case, I don't really see the actual public health value in changing structures this late in the day. If nphet are needed less, just have them meet less. But this is the politics of "moving on" I guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    By their modelling the peak is upon us and we will hit over 90% of adults fully vaccinated next month and we are easing restrictions so what will their job be that can't be done by others?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,130 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Did the whole public demonstrate "trustworthiness" at any point? In a pandemic, it only takes a few to undermine the good work of the many.

    You only have to look through the threads on this forum to see that from the very start, there was a significant minority determined to do their own thing no matter what.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    I agree with everything you've said there, great post



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    What's an architect doing pontificating about epidemiology?

    Embarrassing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,130 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    What are you doing pontificating about restrictions? She has as much right as you do.

    Embarrassing.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    To be fair, the public health ‘emergency’ is wrapping up. The CMO has even said that there is only so much public health can do when vaccination uptake is so high.

    The CMO and the DoH will likely still be involved, but the emergency is coming to an end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    I take it you're related to her? 😂

    I can see that you're triggered so we'd better leave it at that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,279 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Orla Hegarty is constantly given a platform on national radio (and possibly TV).

    Those posting on this thread are not.

    Therefore the two can't be compared.

    It's very simple.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,130 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Any time I've heard her on radio or TV she's been talking about ventilation and air quality. If she goes outside of the area of her expertise it's up to the interviewer to challenge her.

    She had as much right to post on twitter though as you do though. You can even challenge her on it if you want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,336 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Cliona Ní Cleallaigh and others were out in force on RTÉ radio this morning trying to say how terribly Tyrone would be affected by not getting vaccinated & contracting Covid. Funny I didn't realise a side effect of the Tyrone team getting Covid would be defeating Kerry to advance to an All Ireland Final. It's almost as if Covid isn't a threat to the vast majority of healthy people. Particularly those who've already had one shot of the vaccine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    I heard that too, ridiculous nonsense, the way some people were going on you'd swear half the team would never play again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,130 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Nice little bit of rewriting history in your drive by post. The gardai baton charged south William st after a breakdown in public order, not at the behest of TH.

    How brave of you to not want to stick around to defend your argument though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,336 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Really? Tell me where does Orla and others get their funding from? Many others I'm sure would appreciate this funding and unprecedented media access - written pieces in national newspapers, RTE and Virgin Media prime time slots, local radio station appearances, etc. It's amazing coverage to be fair for an architect. I wonder should we get Dermot Bannon to start writing and tweeting more posts also re Covid? He's as qualified as Orla after all.

    Did Tómas Ryan ever produce any evidence to prove any of his wild and unsubstantiated claims - such as pregnant mothers should watch out as Covid could cause autism. This is an as outlandish a claim as Dr Andrew Wakefield had, which still doesn't have any evidence to back it up. Remember Dr Ryan (Neuroscientist) stated all Covid cases should be treated like a murder - he must be snowed under trying to trace the data from appox 10 - 13k cases per week in Ireland trying to solve these fictional 'murder' cases. Did he visit the Tyrone Team camp? I'm sure they were dying to listen to what he had to say, and all of his unsubstantiated scaremongering too.

    Or perhaps he emigrated to Australia / New Zealand to live in lockdown for months on end, as their Zero Covid strategy which he kept promoting has failed miserably - their populations are not taking the vaccines and they remain hugely vulnerable to any cases at all.



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