The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

dudley72 · 26-08-2021 01:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117805869#Comment_117805869

No roaring and shouting mate.

I was asking what their USP was, not what USP stands for. Sorry for the confusion.

mariab21 · 26-08-2021 02:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117805930#Comment_117805930

Yes you keep believing that

Micheal doing a great job 👍😂

Fionn1952 · 26-08-2021 02:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117805801#Comment_117805801

The claim I was responding to was your claim that you knew FF people and how that jives with your follow up claim that you'd never said you knew someone. How can I be twisting something when I directly quoted you and asked for clarification?

I don't have a clue about Francie's story; I've no way of proving or disproving his assertion about his father. If you choose to make up a story next time, that's on you. I'll take you at face value unless it is blatantly/self-evidentially untrue.....or unless you immediately contradict it in your next post.

26-08-2021 02:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117805948#Comment_117805948

Haha...no hassle

They are quite clearly as name stated people before profit....whereas if yous look at all other parties,can yous honestly say this about em?

Even sf have too many "business friendly" policies for my liking,as fundamentally i dont believe a political.party can/should represent both business,particularly big business,and ordinary people,and ultimately any/all compromises will go one way only

......hence why ffg in particular have gotton bogged down serving interests of investement funds over ordinary people as regards housing

dudley72 · 26-08-2021 02:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117805876#Comment_117805876

I suggest you read past the title of the article

He said: “It may evolve depending on policy and policy content and how things develop.

“When I look into the future I am not going to be totally predicting what will and what will not happen.

“That said, at the moment, I think Sinn Féin’s policy platform on a range of issues would make it very difficult for us to coalesce with them.” He cited the economy, social matters and Sinn Féin’s attitude to the EU.

Then it goes into repeating the O'Callaghan interview already discussed. I have said this many times, anything with SF get clicks so the journalist will stick SF into the heading and people will share etc like above. Read the articles and 99% of it a

dudley72 · 26-08-2021 02:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117805981#Comment_117805981

That’s not the USP, so what is it?

26-08-2021 02:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806041#Comment_117806041

How do yous think its not....its what sets em.apart from all other parties here?

dudley72 · 26-08-2021 02:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806058#Comment_117806058

From the link you kindly provided earlier:

In marketing, the unique selling proposition (USP), also called the unique selling point, or the unique value proposition (UVP) in the business model canvas, is the marketing strategy of informing customers about how one's own brand or product is superior to its competitors (in addition to its other values).

People before Profit is the name of the party not the USP. So what is the USP of PBP?

mariab21 · 26-08-2021 02:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806074#Comment_117806074

To put the people before the bankers/investors etc which FF/FG seem to be against id imagine

26-08-2021 02:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806074#Comment_117806074

They being only party,which stands on platform.of people before profit and dont persue failed policies of lying to people claiming it possible to represent business and ordinary people at same time?? (And look to be only ones to be realistic and willing to tackle the low corp tax issue)

This would be a unique position among irish parties imo and sets em apart.....what other party persues this policy here?

FrancieBrady · 26-08-2021 02:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117805857#Comment_117805857

I'll just leave this here, alongside your claim that you didn't take exception or call out my personal experience as false, then a few posts later do the same yourself, then tried to deny you said it until others called you on it.

Dudley72 said:

Of course, always a little story to try make it real :-)

dudley72 · 26-08-2021 02:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806105#Comment_117806105

Well that’s not unique, all the parties are jumping on that bandwagon

FrancieBrady · 26-08-2021 02:36PM

I wonder will anyone have a go at reasoning out this:

If we are one of the best countries in the world to live, why is that the two parties posters are crediting with that position in the UN Development League falling in support. Not just in one election cycle either. Their combined vote share has fallen from a high of 86% to just over 40% and if polls are to be believed are now below the 40% mark.

Shebean · 26-08-2021 02:41PM

People are tired of the selfish business first crony FF/FG party. SF happen to be best placed to take advantage. So rather than tackle their own deep rooted problems they get childish and bitter and lash out like brats. When questioned about the FF/FG failed housing strategy, we had days of people saying SF had no housing policy. When it was published they start talking about the formation of SF. It's good in a way. If FF/FG continue to ignore their own problems they'll become weaker by the election.

markodaly · 26-08-2021 02:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117805740#Comment_117805740

What recession is this, the one from 2008-2011 or so? The time when FG was NOT in power, yet sure blame it on FG anyway.... OK, whatever floats your boat.

mariab21 · 26-08-2021 02:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806213#Comment_117806213

Wanting too look after the people of the country before foreign investors, major corporations etc is jumping on a bandwagon.

Jesus Christ

markodaly · 26-08-2021 03:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117805823#Comment_117805823

Because we live in a democracy Francie. You are taking the long long-term view here. Maybe people do want some change, but a few years of SF or others will quickly soften their cough. As I said, there is no gold at the end of that rainbow. One thing we know is that the Irish electorate like to give parties kicking. It's easy for SF because they don't have to stand over anything. But when they get the big jobs well, then they will be put under an intense spotlight we will see how their mettle is.

If you think they get bad press now, well you have not seen anything yet, as in government you cannot blame someone else. Hard decisions will have to be taken and for better or worse the buck will stop at them.

Dont believe me? Look at Labour in 2011. Gilmore for Taoiseach to 4% in the polls. Do you think it cannot happen to SF? A term in power for SF and you will see them back at the 10% mark, and if they mess up royally then they will be back to Labour levels of support post-2016. This is why power scares many in SF at the moment, they want to build so UI project, but they also need to take the hot seats which will see their support annihilated.

That is what I see with SF and their online support, their levels of expectations are wildly out of kilter with reality and it just cannot be met EVER!!

Santa Clause does not exist.

markodaly · 26-08-2021 03:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117805882#Comment_117805882

By 'any' reckoning....

Go on, 'whose' reckoning exactly... Yours?

What makes you qualified to say Ireland is a failed state?

Utter nonsense. Complete populist hot air to say Ireland is failed state.

@FrancieBrady See, you wanted proof, now you have it.... are you going to defend the above from Blazz?

dudley72 · 26-08-2021 03:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806327#Comment_117806327

We are talking about a USP of PBP.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806250#Comment_117806250

So what is the plan for SF? disregard business and look after people?

What happens to all the small business around Ireland that work everyday, hire people and keep the country afloat? SF are going to abandon them?

You see all I see here is buzz word and waffle, nothing that even makes sense. A business first approach has to be taken by all governments because without every size of business the whole country comes tumbling down. You say business and all you think of is MNC's, but they are a small part. This is the issue I have with SF, its just buzz words, they don't seem to have any sort of plan.

Its all buzz words and a small video on twitter but nothing behind it.

I am sure FF & FG are aware fully of the issues they have, hence why they are constantly changing to meet the new demands. A few years ago people wanted houses knocked so they knocked them, now people want houses built and they are building them. Houses dont get built overnight. It would be a lot easier if DCC and other would do their job, also the constant blocking of houses by some parties is not helping anyone

mariab21 · 26-08-2021 03:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806447#Comment_117806447

That is the selling point, the younger generation see FF/FG out for themselves and there rich friends. The likes of PUP are the alternative

markodaly · 26-08-2021 03:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806223#Comment_117806223

Correlation does not equal causation Francie.

Are you denying that Ireland is one of the better countries on earth to live in?

FrancieBrady · 26-08-2021 03:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806384#Comment_117806384

If you could have a go at the question now?

I asked you to assess the past and the current fortunes of the two parties you like to credit with the UN position...not a look into your sensationalised version of the future.

mariab21 · 26-08-2021 03:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806461#Comment_117806461

We have a housing crisis, a homeless crisis, a healthcare crisis before Covid but yeh great place alright. I wouldn't wanna be anywhere else

dudley72 · 26-08-2021 03:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806459#Comment_117806459

Again, we are talking about the PBP USP, I have yet to see one. No idea why FF/FG have to be mentioned in this discussion but again you find a reason.

markodaly · 26-08-2021 03:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806459#Comment_117806459

PUP ??

LOL

dudley72 · 26-08-2021 03:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806513#Comment_117806513

Well I was given out to earlier for talking about SF on this thread. I was having a discussion with another poster and seemingly you joined without reading back. PBP came up because of a Poll on young voters so I would suggest to read back. If you want to discuss education then open a thread on it, at the moment you seem to be incapable of posting on any thread without a reference to FF/FG.

markodaly · 26-08-2021 03:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806464#Comment_117806464

I already did answer your question. The electorate likes to give parties in power a kicking. FG has been in power 10 years and will be in power for around 14 years when the next GE comes around. It is rare anywhere in the western world a party in power as long as that is very very popular.

FF has been in power a lot over the last few decades, similar applies and people still blame them, rightly IMO, for the crash of 2008.

The question isn't some 'gotcha' you think it is. Even the 'best' countries in the world, the Norway's, the Demarks, the Canadas of this world and so on, give their political parties a kicking. Is that to say those countries are failed states because the party in power does badly at the polls? Is that to say those countries are hell-holes and are terrible places to live in?

No of course, not. Only a fool would hold that point of view imo.

dudley72 · 26-08-2021 03:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806574#Comment_117806574

All parties get a kicking, who can forget the 2019 election which a lot of people wanted to boot poor old Mary Lou out the door.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Irish_local_elections

markodaly · 26-08-2021 03:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806492#Comment_117806492

Almost all western countries have the same issues.

Tell us, give us 5 countries that you think are miles and miles better than Ireland. Just 5...

markodaly · 26-08-2021 03:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806592#Comment_117806592

Yeap, even SF themselves didn't see the upturn in their vote in 2020. They were just lucky, being in the right time and place. The 30% in the polls they are getting now, are as light as a spring snow. About 20% of that can be gone in a gust of wind, once those that vote for them realise there ain't no gold at the end of that rainbow.

The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

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