Don't buy in a new estate

That isn't a solution to anything. To be classed as a solution, it actually needs to solve a problem when your "solution" is just to make a problem worse.

What's going to be your new solution to the problem of all these people on the streets - invent Soylent Green?

It works just fine in Asia.

People get jobs and start being responsible.

Why are you paying for some scumbag to drink cans all day?

No more social housing, a three strikes law, free education, a work for the dole programme where people learn real skills.

The people who refuse to get skills/education and get a job deserve nothing.

If they are unfit parents (refuse to work) their children should be taken from them and given to one of the many decent families on the long waiting list for adoption.

Ireland has too many skangers. Why do you want to keep paying for their lifestyle? Why do you want to continue with our current failed system? Are you on the dole?

I think buying a Bungalow or a Cottage somewhere with no neighbours around you would be a solution to avoiding issues with other tenants of any category. I recall a friend of mine years back buying a Bungalow out in Naas Kildare with the nearest neighbour a few hundred meters up the road. Nice big front and rear garden, high fences and trees all around it, Beautiful ! The loudest noise you would hear would be a cow farting.

You could buy in a housing estate with no social housing in sight and then a few short years some of the neighbours sell up and the council snatches everything up!

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I cycled over to this block as it's near me.

It really is an imposing block of apartments, dwarfing the already occupied private houses that must have cost a pretty penny. Only in Ireland can you have private owners literally being looked down on by the free housing brigade.

It is a disastrous decision by some faceless public servant whom you can guarantee ain't living near. Fast forward ten years and the estate should be interesting. Nowhere for the kids to play for starters... there is a little valley ideal for nuisance in years to come.

10 or 20% social maybe there can be integration. Definitely not on this scale though.

Any further implications that social housing is free, that all tenants don't work, use of pejorative terms for tenants etc will see this thread closed. These tropes are inaccurate, worthless and done to death already.

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I don't disagree that problem residents / neighbours need problem management - but that counts in all housing types -

So someone is happy to concentrate the problem cases - in someone else's neighbourhood - most tenants in council or former council estates don't deserve to have all the problem cases dumped on them -

Actually the former council estates in Dublin that are now half million euro houses are they to be exempt from having problem cases because of the current value of the houses -

I think a key consideration is the question of why social housing exists, and what are our (society's) responsibilities in this area?

I'd like to see a graduated solution rather than what we have today.

Firstly, any of us can fall on hard times, and it benefits us all to give people a helping hand in such circumstances. So I'd like to see social welfare being related to your pre-unemployment income, for some period of time. I.e. you can stay in your own home and meet commitments while you get back on your feet. Your commitments/outgoings are likely to be related to the income you had before your situation changed for the worse. And you were likely paying into the tax bucket in relation to your income. I don't know for how long this should last, but an initial suggestion would be a significant portion of your income for a year, then maybe reducing for another year.

Then, at some stage, it has to be recognised that things are taking longer to change for the better. It's not feasible to keep the original home if payments can't be made on it, but there should still an effort to support people to get back on their feet. At that stage I can see a big benefit to having social housing integrated with private housing. Maybe this phase lasting up to a few years.

Finally, there has to be acceptance that somebody is unlikely to become self-sufficient. That they are likely to need society's support on an ongoing basis. I definitely wouldn't be in the "throw them onto the street" camp, but I think at this stage it's fair enough to consider dedicated areas of social housing. Cheap but livable. And other supports (education etc) available for those who do desire a move back into the workforce.

Editing to add: I'm only really talking about social housing here, I think affordable housing is a separate area

We’re affordable housing attached to the tax payer in anyway when being built?

A three-bedroom house in Ballymun has sold for €325,000, an increase of more than 90 per cent on its purchase price when it was bought under an affordable housing scheme less than four years ago.

The house built by housing co-operative Ó Cualann Cohousing Alliance went on the market two weeks ago for €250,000 a mark-up of almost 50 per cent on its original sales price of €170,000.

What % is the clawback on profit?

never mind

This would result in a clawback payment of €57,353

The clawback is based on discount not profit; this (should/used to, at least - there was such a long time between the old and current schemes) ensures that it has to be paid even if the house is sold for a paper loss.

You've won the thread with that one.

Fundamentally it's about fairness, which is all anyone wants for everyone. It is patently not fair for those who take responsibility for themselves and do all the right things to have to play Russian roulette in this way with regard to social housing in new estates.

And that applies to workers in social housing too who also face these problems.

The same posters complains all the time about social housing, it's a perennial topic on boards in several shapes and forms but there is one point that always gets missed, who complains the loudest?. In an estate of houses selling 500-700k, you may get someone saying F me some of them are very rough ( something I have heard someone say about the social housing in their estate) but they don't really have an issue with the social houseing it's not relevant to them they come from families who have been middle class for generations they are secure and comfortable with themselves, it's those who have scraped in by their fingernails who look down those in social housing.

To be honest if the house is the same as the private house then I can understand why people would be jealous. Let's take SDCC for example: The minimum rent of a council house is €23 per week or 10% of the households net income (source: sdcc.ie - differential rent scheme).

If you buy the same house with a mortgage over 20 years (purchase price €300k) you are paying easily €1500 p.m. (excluding insurances etc).

You also have to factor in maintenance costs over the years.

What happens if you loose your job and can't pay the mortgage? The banks take ownership of the house. If you loose your job while living in a council house your rent will be reduced by the council. The only advantage of owning a house is that you have an asset for your kids.