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Mart Price Tracker

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    you wouldn't be ashamed of the one behind him either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,950 ✭✭✭morphy87


    some animals you have there,is it all AI you use?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,780 ✭✭✭DBK1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Sligoronan


    Yea all Ai. Try to mix it up and match different bulls for cows. Try to have calveing interval right and milk. Slowly trying to get to January calveing. It would be nice to get calves to 350 kgs and away In September. Nice buffer then for cows to relax till January then. But each enterprise works different for everybody.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,172 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Going back to sellers in the box, I see some marts are taking some steps to address some issues. First if you have not contacted mart within half an hour after your cattle go through the ring they are considered sold.

    If a marts suspect that lads are bidding on there own cattle( through another account) they will be charged buyers and sellers comission and that will remain on there account until paid. I suspect the way that will work if cattle reach more or less market value and seller throws up the sale he be charged fees

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 96 ✭✭Katie 2018


    Last couple of years have sold my weanling heifers lmx from home .have a repeat customer .I weigh an get 2.50kg across weights from 300 to 350kg.no fees no stress on animals.any1 else do something similar.sold at 8 to 9 months old.lmx out of limousine bull.is it a fair price



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,172 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    That is a mart price of 2.65-2.7 and no commission or mart costs

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,172 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I say marts problem is firstly the amount of time it takes to get sales completed. If a lad is in the box he says yea or nay on the spot. Auctioneer has a chance to get them into a price he is happy with to complete the sale. A few weeks ago I had two out of three lots thrown up as seller was unhappy, I got to bring home 3 cattle instead of 10. I stopped bidding with 20 lots to go.

    Finally lads that keep pushing cattle to the limit will be withdrawing up 50 + of there sales.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    Did you not try neogitate with the seller trough the mart or was it like the seller was a hundred or more short ,most lads selling will make a deal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,775 ✭✭✭Dunedin




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,172 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I was in the office when he was rang. He was pulling two more lots as well that made a nice bit more per Kg than mine. I was dropping out on one lot as it was as there was a runtish bullock in the lot. I have gone another 20 on the other bunch but it was immaterial when he pulled the four lots.

    What I was p!ssed off over was the I could have bought a lot or two between than and the end of the mart

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    sure there plenty to choose from again this week again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,950 ✭✭✭morphy87




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Sligoronan


    Nearly all Charolais. I find them as easybas the LM calved



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭SuperTeeJay


    Sold 6 bullocks Monday.Weighed them saturday before and all weighed from 610kg to 695kg.All weighed average 55kg lighter on mart scales.Home scales is checked with 25kg bags and works perfect.50kg at 2.50/2.60euro/kg is a big loss per animal.

    I expected 25 or 30kg weight loss but does over 50kg seem excessive?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,172 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    No it's 8-9% of body weight. A litre of water weights a kg. Have a look inside a trailer sometime 8-10 miles down the road. The steam rising is something else. What size is the slurry tank on a cattle truck is it a cubic meter, that is a ton of liquid. There could be another 2-300lires of sh!t and p!SS on the floor. That is 90%+water.

    Most lads do not understand the difference between fresh and mart weight. The factory difference between hot and cold weight of a carcasse is 2% and that is just steam.

    As a matter using 28kg bag's how much weight did you put on it.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 763 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    So the bullock weighing 695 on Saturday made only 640 on Monday ? How long between loading on trailer / truck and mart scales ? Weight loss does seem excessive



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    I have heard of lads weighing cattle before going to mart and they weighed heavier in a certain mart figure that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,950 ✭✭✭morphy87


    Hard to beat the charolais, by your photos your producing top quality stock



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,780 ✭✭✭DBK1


    I’m preaching on here for a long time that lads should be weighing their stock regularly. The weight loss you’ve witnessed is about normal depending on the time frame from loading to sale.

    And that weight loss is the reason lads think they’re making factory prices in the mart when they are not. If they were U grade stock I’d expect them to be killing about 55% of their fresh weight in your yard so a 650kg animal would kill about 360kgs. When that animal stands on the scales in the mart weighing 600kgs he will still kill the same 360kgs. So his kill out is now 60% of his mart weight.

    That’s the figures the factory men buying heavy stock in the mart work off of but the farmer selling is still working off 55% so he’s missing out on 30kgs of meat and thinks he got a good deal when the reality is the factory man buying him is giving less than the factory value.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,402 ✭✭✭amacca


    interesting.....is there a way to reduce the weight loss? bar the obvious sell close to you and deliver near the sale time (which isn't always possible)


    like would a feed of nuts or a bit hay before they goo be a good idea, does hay take a bit longer to pass through the digestive system.......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭SuperTeeJay


    Two 25kg bags.Maybe i should use more.Also my own weight is the same as the calibrated scales at work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 848 ✭✭✭dohc turbo2


    How long was it between when they stopped eating at urs and stood on the scales in the mart



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭SuperTeeJay


    They were weighed sarurday morning.Got 2kg meal each sat eve and sun eve.Loaded 7am monday morning but weren't sold til 3.30 in afternoon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,172 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    AFAIK a lot of scales weight in 2kg increments. It a common mistake in checking scales accuracy. You would want to put on 150-200kgs in weight to check it accuracy.

    A 2% weight difference is 14kgs at 700kgs. Put the bags up one by one and check the weight after every bag. Generally you will see no inaccuracies until 100kgs or more. If you do see inaccuracies at 50kgs usually your scales is well out

    Your own weight would be more accurate but you need the exact same clothing and shoes on. However your own bathroom scales may be inaccurate.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,172 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Not really. Very hard to get cattle to eat hay or straw when on grass this time if year. Even if you fed them 4-5kgs of nuts at best it would help retain its own weight in liquid so 10kgs total. But the ration will generally reduce there consumption of other feedstuff and that is if they retain it. You also get dehydration especially in the truck

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 848 ✭✭✭dohc turbo2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭zetor 4911


    Brought a heifer to the mart 2 weeks ago weighed her at 8.45am before leaving and she was 604Kgs went into the ring at 11.20am and she weighed 580Kgs a loss of 24Kgs. Thought it was a lot to loose in a short time period.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,780 ✭✭✭DBK1


    As Bass said above have a look in the trailer when she’s getting out and see what’s on the floor. If you were to gather all that and weigh it how much would it be? And what you see on the floor of the trailer is solids, the urine had to come out as well. An animal that size would let out a few litres of urine every time they go. Each litre weighs 1kg. When they’re standing in the pens they’ll be at the same thing as well.

    Allow a bit of weight loss due to stress, sweating etc. and 24kgs on that size of animal isn’t excessive.

    It’s all about understanding that and allowing for it when calculating the price you think your animals are worth based on mart weight.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,780 ✭✭✭DBK1


    There’s nothing really you can do, it’s just something you have to accept at a day in the mart.

    I’ve seen lads pumping cattle full of meal before going to the mart and I smile when I see it. Talk about wasting money! Even if the animal was to retain every ounce the eat, which they won’t, it still wouldn’t pay. Most animals are selling from €2 - €2.50/kg at the minute. Meal is anything from €3 - €3.50/kg, you wouldn’t even get the price of the meal back again.

    One trick I’ve seen dealers use at weanling sales in particular is to leave the weanlings with no water since maybe the night before. When they get to the mart then they’ll turn them over to a pen with a drinker and the animal will fill itself with water so they get paid for the water. Obviously I haven’t seen them being weighed before and after drinking so I don’t know if it works but it’s something some of them do.



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