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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    What group's were not vaccinated until mid July?

    Most of those not vaccinated by early June were at a much reduced risk of severe disease, people in their 20's on immune suppressant drugs were vaccinated in May(certainly people in my area)

    Whats this about a sh#t storm over needing a negative Antigen test? Many countries provided testing free on a Friday for citizens to enjoy their weekend socialising. This of course helped reduce case numbers as many cases were identified that subsequently isolated.

    In Ireland we decide to restrict all access to those liberties to those who had availed of a limited resource, (vaccine) that's what the outrage was over



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    @FintanMcluskey wrote:

    What group's were not vaccinated until mid July?

    The Astrazeneca group (60-69) didn't achieve full vaccination status until mid July.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    The religious/purist position of NPHET on antigen testing is baffling.



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    Well, maybe because its the right thing to do, eg, insist that only vaccinated people attend the matches.

    The real leader of the country has suggested this just as he did with indoor dining so why isnt the Government going slong with this suggestion, wouldnt it show the GAA was taking Delta seriously, why should this organisation and the drunken carry on that goes with it put schools and college return at risk.

    Maybe all GAA matches should be cancelled for six weeks, one of these matches and the aftermath caused outbreaks last christmas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭gral6


    I'd rather GAA to run the country than group of academics from Nphet



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,277 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    Really?

    What would become of those kids and adults in small towns and villages that don't like GAA sport? That'd be a great, well run country, full of exclusion.

    Not to mention not adhering to guidelines over the last 18 months!! Yeah, they'd do a great job🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    I wasnt fully vaccinated until Mid June . Nor were my friends all in Cohort 5 ( 60-69 ) Four weeks later was mid July



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,449 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    @seamus Wouldn't be overly concerned about the mask or vaccine thing with Croke Park. It's entirely open. The only indoor areas are for private events and VIP ticket holders; were/are they even open?

    I know 2 people who were in the Premium level on Sunday which is an enclosed area when you're not sitting outside. Said it was quite busy with virtually no mask wearing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 705 ✭✭✭thebronze14


    People were supposed to wear the masks at the match....But look 90% of adults are vaccinated, why the feck is this even an issue. The vast majority of people are getting on with their lives, I advise others to do so without the outrage...It's time to move on! Even Tony seems to be. If you get it and aren't vaccinated then tough luck. If you're vaccinated get on with it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 705 ✭✭✭thebronze14


    That doesn't mean the GAA are running the country. It means the Government are making a mess of reopening



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 705 ✭✭✭thebronze14


    So we're looking to cancel the GAA even though they did what what they were supposed to do...People have lost the run of themselves! You'd swear it's March 2020 around here!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,945 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Its seems that we would rather drag the GAA back than lift everybody else up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Well said. We should be saying that the GAA is the pilot and others can do the same. Hard to argue against…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭Ah_well.


    You do realise the premier league has packed stadiums every weekend now and supporters are spilling into pubs before and after games ? No outrage over there . High incidence rate but zero panic .Ireland has had one half capacity sporting event and everyone is up in arms about it. The only outrage should be that other sports events aren’t getting similar allowance for larger capacities at events.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭Ah_well.


    I am not against the theory of vaccinated only attending sporting events and gigs here for a period but that would then surely allow for the dropping of mask requirement and also allow a return to full capacity . I’m just pointing out that premier league grounds are operating at full capacity in England for both vaccinated and unvaccinated and there is no panic or outrage . It suggests to me the constant fear here has left a mark on the psyche of many people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    The approach has cost many many lives

    Its indefensible



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Did you have any underlying condition that put you at much higher risk of severe illness?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,595 ✭✭✭tigger123


    I don't think that's an accurate reflection of the conversation here. It's not about dragging them back, its about the inconsistency in the application of restrictions. One rule for GAA events, an entirely different set of rules for everyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭Ah_well.


    That’s not the fault of the gaa though. It’s the fault of government for not allowing other sports/gigs avail of increased capacity . Blame government instead of the gaa bashing that seems rife now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Well complain about why other industries aren't opened and stop complaining the GAA crowds. The absolute vast majority are fully vaccinated and these are 'trial events' by the way, kind of something forgotten about it. It's not like 40k or 50% capacity is allowed for all matches.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Was just about the post the same thing. Feel like I'm gone back to March last year. Was listening to Morning Ireland this morning and the presenter was putting pressure on Donnelly to say crowds shouldn't be allowed for the football.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Complete over reaction as usual

    Only having 50% capacity at this stage is shameful not to mind some people not even wanting that for the football

    I'd wonder if it was a rugby international last Sunday would there be the same comments?

    Doubtful



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,875 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    Think the FAI has the same attendance in a couple of weeks, wonder should we get in early try get it stopped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Nah

    Attendances at that match should be increased from the all irelands

    Only way we're going to learn and get back to more normality

    We're going to need to get over the social media and press media hysteria anytime large crowds gather



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Cohort 5 60 -69 .Not fully vaccinated until mid July .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 705 ✭✭✭thebronze14


    There would be the same comments....Some people born to complain and be morally outraged. Like the woman behind me in a queue for coffee when numbers were very bad in February. No mask on, nearly breathing in my ear, about 20cm from me blaming all the young people meeting up for spreading it. Saying they were so selfish and not thinking of others...She said to her mate then that they would go to the friends house with the coffee despite no household visits being allowed then. That's the sort I'd say that are making the most noise. If something doesn't suit them it shouldn't be allowed!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,729 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Why is there still unvaccinated teachers now raising a row in the media?

    Did they arse about and delay applying to get the vaccine? Surely everyone who wanted a vaccine should be done by now.

    My OH is a teacher and is done a couple of months now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    That may be, but it's currently trending on twitter.

    I couldn't find any real information from online newspapers so I came here.

    The only thing that is being publicly announced is that Roy Butler died from a short illness.

    It's of course possible that this was due to an allergic reaction to the vaccine. It's highly unlikely though. While a 23 year old dying from any illness is unlikely, an allergic reaction to the vaccine is still very remote, unless the person was allergic to... one of the things you have to say you've never had an allergic reaction to on the disclaimer before taking the vaccine.

    The account of the 'aunt' is somewhat suspect. She apparently claims that he died from a brain aneurysm an hour after receiving the J&J vaccine. That's not an allergic reaction if so. It's also unlikely to be the rare blood clot complication reported in relation to the J&J or AZ vaccines (as this would take multiple days to manifest).

    Of course people who are already convinced won't be swayed by evidence anyway I suppose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    There are several holes in the aunt's account, but the fact that she was a vocal anti-vaxxer before the death tells us that's she's a completely unreliable narrator and in the absence of any other statements from anyone else, her claims can be dismissed. It even calls into question her actual relationship to him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989




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