Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Didn’t see that bit

whats in 6 days

@KrustyUCC wrote:

It's all there in Nolan's words and Donnelly's words. Even in what Michael said last week. Legal requirements to wear masks and for event organisers to enforce social distancing, will be dropped over the coming months. All legal bases for the restrictions will be allowed to lapse and we revert to the pre-pandemic situation where the HSE issues public health guidance. This will include recommendations on when & where to wear masks and engage in social distancing.

Public health guidance has no legal basis and therefore does not in any sane universe constitute a "restriction". The HSE will not drop advice on mask-wearing until covid circulation is so low as to be practically non-existent. Nolan seems to think this point will come before the end of the year, but we'll see.

The main unknown here is what insurers think about the public health guidance. Will they strong-arm venue owners into voluntarily restricting capacity under threat of having their insurance pulled? I don't think so, but there might be a few weird weeks where some venues are unnecessarily overcautious because their solicitors have told them to be, while other venues are going full blast because there's no law that says they can't.

Health-specific venues like hospitals and nursing homes will likely continue to operate on full covid alert, masks, distancing, etc., but outside of that the next few months will very much just be the HSE begging everyone to be careful.

Functionally it comes to resources spread too thin in some areas, and consultants having too much power. Many hospitals don't have the staff to run a lab or specialised equipment over the weekend, and consultants can basically tell the HSE to eff-off and pick their own working hours. Junior doctors don't have the confidence to discharge patients without confirmation from the senior doctor or consultant, and they wouldn't dare bother them at the weekend. So in many hospitals if you're not lucky enough to be blessed by the grace of the consultant by Friday afternoon, you'll be left where you are until Monday.

Your insistence on reading things that aren't there suggests a level of PTSD.

Restrictions will definitely be removed, over the next five months. Many/most of them well in advance of Xmas. How you read it any differently says to me that you don't want to hear it.

Something tells me that if the plan was to reopen everything and drop all restrictions at the end of September, your only response would be, "Why are we waiting so long, why not tomorrow?".

You're not here to engage honestly on the discussion, you have decided that all restrictions in all forms were always wrong and therefore there is nothing that anyone in Gov or NPHET can say or do that you will approve of. So why you bother engaging on this topic at all, is a mystery to me.

Holahan doesn't have a say in what Donnelly or the government do.

If they want to relax all the restrictions by Christmas, then they will.

You'd wonder what goes on in the backround. Maybe they dont speak to each other at all . Anyway will be funny to see big Tonys reaction when the roadmap is released and he is no longer needed.

So you admit, only some restrictions will be removed in the next 5 months, some of them before christmas. Not all of them, just some undefined number of them.

Whoop de **** do. You seriously call that worthy of praise?

"Hey honey, I might stop beating you in the next 5 months, isn't that great news!!!"

Another 5 months, that you so casually throw another 5 months away speaks to your own PTSD, or more likely to how little they actually affect your life.

Journalists are trying to draw Holohan into teasing his official advice to government, which he's obviously not going to do.

It's a running joke of course that Holohan is famously downbeat. Even so, on the basis of those tweets he's considerably less pessimistic than one would expect.

Between Nolan and Holohan, the gist of what I see from those tweets and the RTE reports, is that NPHET's advice will consistent of not recommending the reopening of higher-risk indoor environments (like nightclubs) until the vaccination programme has progressed further into the younger population. So 6-8 weeks - early-mid October.

There's no suggest that they will recommend tighter restrictions, it sounds like they're relatively comfortable with where we are; we can manage the caseload that is to come, even with the expected ease up in restrictions.

@bucketybuck wrote:

No, that's not what my post says at all. It says all restrictions will be removed in the next five months. It's right there. Plain English: "Restrictions will definitely be removed, over the next five months."

In all seriousness, is English not your first language, or do you actually not bother reading posts before jumping to respond?

Holohan just said he could see a situation where they would continue to advise mask wearing on public transport and in healthcare settings . That’s absolutely fine . That would mean masks aren’t mandatory in most settings . Reporter put it to him that he would likely not advise any easing of restrictions the next 4-6 weeks but he basically replied by saying any changes in restrictions would initially be for those who were fully vaccinated . After his initial somber finger wagging start to press conference if you read through the lines it’s actually quite encouraging from him

He also said he’d hope all sectors would be open well before Christmas . Maybe I’m being naive here but I’m much more hopeful having watched this press conference.

@CMOIreland

says, adding that another 4-6 weeks of vaccination, reaching as many under 40s as possible, is critical.

Every week is so critical now!

This is not an unusual situation, even in Delta times. Know someone who was positive and all the family and friends got tested. All were negative even the family at home.