Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Wow! What an attack !

Yes on reflection I apologise for that. It was insensitive as the woman is obviously distraught with grief .

It is tragic , maybe an allergic reaction but we won't know until the post mortem .

RIP .

And as for Beaumont please read my post.

Anybody with a cough or a sniffle puts everyone including themselves at very high risk . Never mind unvaccinated people .

Those will be put back on the list no doubt when their immune / vaccination status is verified.

Do you realise that every single person who even looks in the door of any transplant unit has to be tested negative repeatedly ? And yes, they have to be vaccinated to work in a unit like that .

Is that an affront to their freedom to take precautions like that .

I don't think so . No nurse / doctor working in an area like that would want any harm to come to her patients .

So why should patients who have been screened and vetted and are about to go through major surgery and receive one of the most valuable gifts another person can bestow , the gift of a new kidney or liver or cornea , just decide to put everything at risk ?

Because they wouldn't , no way .

This is a non issue being drummed up by" she who has been to the high court " and those relentless fvcking eejits followers of hers .

But if there was an outbreak everybody would be all over it straight away blaming staff and the hospital, and how dare they put such vulnerable patients at risk !

Those patients with already compromised organs and immunity would never survive Covid .

If you go back to October 3rd - 30th (closest month with single digit positivity rate)

On the HPSC reports, it breaks down cases vs hospitalizations:

HPSC report from a week ago has:

They rejigged up the 0-24 age groups, so I used average admission rate. The past 7 days, we should have expected 382 admissions, we have had 186.

As the 0-24 age group would be the least fully vaccinated, the 92 expected admissions would account for nearly half of admissions.

You could go a little further, removing the 0-24 group, assuming none are fully vaccinated, (based on 2 weeks post second dose, 1 week to show symptoms and 1 week to end up in hospital) It's a stretch, but it would mean, of the expected 382 admissions, the 0-24 would have accounted for 92 of them. So we should have seen 290 admissions for those aged over 25, but ended up seeing only 94 (assuming 92 of them were the 0-24 age group)

Good luck if anyone understands what I was trying to explain!

Without knowing the breakdown in age of hospitalizations lately, it impossible to know. But we should have had 382 hospital admissions the past 7 days, we have only had 186 (92 of those would have been expected as they are 0-24 and the most unvaccinated group)

Positivity rate is actually quite higher now compared to October, meaning we're missing more cases than last October, yet the admission rate is lower. So it's all down to the vaccines.

Post edited .before you jumped on . Nothing to say to you . Replying to CS .

This reads a bit like "I'm allowed present hypothetical medical scenarios but anyone else who does it is an AnTiVaXxEr"

Neither Paschal nor anyone else involved in government gives a hoot about the future or those who will try to build a life in it. That's the point you miss

No . I said that if the cause of death is unknown ,( not going to mention the case again ) then there is a postmortem . Most people know this , why do you ask ?

You want me to say " we don't need a post mortem for Covid cases " , do you ?

We do , if the cause of death has to be explained .

What friend who lost his vision ? What are you going on about accusing me of now ?

You know I am not responsible for everything bad that has happened to you or yours ?

It is genuinely getting a bit creepy the way you are popping up out of the blue with sxxt like that .

And as for empathy , I save that for my family , friends and my patients and colleagues. not for internet dwellers who keep posting accusations and personal attacks .

No that would ge reserved for some people ...

That poster that I was replying to first @CruelSummer is a decent poster that I often agree or disagree with but who does not troll for the sake of it like you and others .

I respect his/ her opinion and revisited my post , and deleted the one which was insensitive . It is probably less insensitive than others today but it doesn't come up to my standards for myself .

I do not need to apologise but I did , out of respect and I also do not need to justify my actions to you or any other person here but I am because you don't get to have the last word , and be uncivil and nasty to me .

Are you talking to me ???

I see you are replying but somehow not .

It's what happens when you are on ignore

I hope you continue to use your right to free speech

Mind you I won't notice .

Ok I see things have gotten heated in here this evening. I think the issue with the Beaumont situation is - it’s a big call made by the hospital board, with little explanation to the public as to its reasoning. It’s giving the impression that people are going to be denied medical treatment if they are unvaccinated. If this had been explained & reasoned out. It may not have even been an issue. The idea that healthcare being denied by the unvaccinated not that outlandish a possibility either as France have recently introduced a vaccine pass which has curbs on ‘non-urgent medical care’.

As for the young man who lost his life, it’s tragic. I’m concerned this will be used by certain groups due to the cover up in the mainstream media. It should be more openly discussed. Vaccines are not without risk.

You're already aware of my view that in younger groups, I think the benefits do not outweigh the risks of getting vaccinated, especially when reading the clickbait articles out this week stating ‘Covid vaccine’s wane after 3 months’, Delta can be transmitted as easily from either vaccinated or unvaccinated. I’m unsure if this is just media hyperbole or if this is peer reviewed research as I didn’t even click on the articles. Perhaps more data will come in to change my mind, but we need to be very careful with the turn this is all taking re undermining the efficacy and effectiveness of the vaccines & maintaining the reopening society going forward.

Yes you are correct. I should have clarified that Covid is listed as the primary underlying cause of death simply because there was a positive PCR test even when the deceased suffered from other terminal illnesses.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mayo-coroner-questions-nphets-figures-for-covid-deaths-40326117.html

Someone with a terminal illness can die of other causes other than said terminal illness.

I'm not saying our death's have been 100% accurate, but going by what you say, a terminally ill patient driving to the hospital for treatment dies in a car accident, the cause of death.... should be? You say the terminal illness, I say the car accident.

I'm not sure how that article relates to covid as a cause of death?

Or do you think any public spokesperson has said restrictions WILL lift at X time and has never been wrong? I'm sure they include a lot of if/buts/may etc...

Completely different story if someone is pushing an agenda. for example: "Second mRNA shot may cause autism in boys aged 12-15 who have had the MMR jab. More data needed to be conclusive"

Complete **** I made up, but I included a 'may' (to cover my arse) and 'more data needed' to make me not look like an antivaxer etc...

Unfortunately people need to have common sense. If the CMO say restrictions may be reinstated or restrictions may be lifted, the status quo remains. But people will latch on to both sides to bitch and moan.

I wouldn't be surprised.

I disagree with you. A press statement like this will be very carefully worded.

11% asymptomatic vs 89% with symptoms and 'being treated'. That is answering the question while not answering the question. Its a 'Sir Humphrey' answer.

The question is how many are in hospital because of covid and how many are in hospital because of something and just happen to test positiv. And that does include ICU. And I think that question is well justified since we learned at some point last year that a sizeable percentage of patients actually acquired the virus in hospital never mind not being real covid patients.

I'm simply sick of this fogging up the facts bullsh1t. Its has been happening from day one and from day one it smelled like embellishment. Just in case the plebs might think this isn't really serious enough to justify all this nonsense.