Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

"includes sick patients in ICU"

Exactly - it includes them, it is not totally made up of them. Not even close. You seem to be completely ignorant of the statistics on covid in hospitals - the majority are not in ICU, and an amount of those people in hospital but not ICU with covid were admitted with something totally different.

Jesus christ, he made a really simple point and every time you respond you make it more clear that you misinterpreted it.

@taxiperson wrote:

You're right. Adverse reactions that are appropriately reported & investigated. Uninformed rants from anti-vaxxers on facebook do not count as "reports of adverse reactions".

Ah yes, this one again. Along with the "suicides are through the roof" and "people are struggling to feed their families". Claims that we're experiencing extraordinary and damaging consequecnes on society without a shred of evidence, but they just feel like they must true, right?

Where are all these young people going, in droves? Because they're not going to the USA, Canada or Australia, which make up 25% of our emigrants. And they're unlikely to be especially drawn to the UK, which is another 18%.

What is this magical overseas utopia to which our young people are all fleeing in the middle of a pandemic? And where is the data to back it up?

@aidoh wrote:

We have? I must have missed that. Can you post your source for this? And just so we're clear, "restrictions" are things that block or inhibit our ability to carry on a normal life, and "well into 2022" I think we can all agree means at least March.

Ah bless , some people have real problems too you know .

No its not peachy but it isn't as bad as some here would have you believe .

We are almost as fully vaccinated as we can be and hospital cases while rising are manageable.

While that is the case it can't be used as an excuse to keep restrictions other than maskwearing and reduced capacity indoors past Setember early October.

I don't believe in conspiracies against us so would wholeheartedly agree with outrage and rebellion if we were kept locked down in that scenario.

But if the numbers change and start to become unmanageable I would be the first to agree with keeping restrictions unfortunately, as it would directly affect me , where I work and in my family .

And I do understand that restrictions as they are affect many people adversely . We all have issues to deal , sad but true .

But this constant negativity on here is soul destroying , worse than any restrictions

This is not debate or discussion.

You want to see how that goes, head over to the Vaccine Megathread.

This is just one major Whingefest !

No every time I responded he misinterpreted it .

You've misinterpreted my posts and now his too - 😆

This proof would be severely flawed. If 100% of the population is vaccinated. 100% of all hospital cases would be vaccinated. It would be unreasonable to conclude from this the vaccines don't work.

Instead, consideration must be given to the disease incidence and age profile. Compare those with the corresponding profiles when there was no vaccine and see how the situation compares.

You are just trolling now.

You havent refuted anything I've said which is that the total number of patients in hospital with covid =/= the total number of patients admitted for covid

A person with broken bones, who happens to test positive will be recorded as a patient in hospital with covid. It's dishonest reporting - we know that at least 11% are totally asymptomatic, the other 89% can range from a cough or cold to needing oxygen or mechanical ventilation - but its very likely they are not all very sick (because majority aren't in ICU)

Way to go, New Zealand:

All of these patients are immunosupressed.

Nobody can get a transplant with a cough or a sniffle as they would inevitably become seriously ill and could compromise not only ther health but every other patient in the transplant unit .

All of these patients know this and have been on medications for so long and dialysis and would do anything to get their lives back to normal.

I would very much doubt that any who want a transplant or their families , would subscribe to the type of rant being spouted on that video .

" Tyranny " and " freedom " . Indeed .

We all know who is behind that and she is the biggest conspiracy loon in the country !