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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It's not clear that will happen at all, as we rapidly draw closer to 90% of adults. Part of the assumption in that is that the relationship between cases and ICU rates will stay the same. For full population comparison they are only at 61% whereas we are at 64% and rising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Go on then, what's the end game if you're right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,968 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    As I said " going by " his " maths " ! Never my strong point

    But I do think at the rate we are going we will hit 100 or over in ICU before we come out of this wave .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭floorpie


    Why is this poster picking one particular aspect of one statistical graph with no reference thereafter to either the rest of the data on that graph ( ie differing outcomes for those in the 18 to 34 age group)

    Pretty simple, because 18-34 are at near zero risk unvaccinated compared to 65 year olds. Why would you instead focus on 18 year olds? That's ridiculous

    One important factor that most of these studies do not measure is memory b cells and t cell immunity .

    This is a longitudinal study that collates information from people who present with symptoms, so implicitly it accounts for long term immunity

    It is very likely that even a mild or asymptomatic infection along with vaccination may trigger long lasting immunity to the virus and future variants , never mind boosters . Look at the graph on the same page as the poster has quoted with data from those vaccinated with a prior infection . Very interesting.

    Obviously. I pointed this out in my point ("Vaccines are extremely effective in people who were infected at some point prior to vaccination"). It is also obvious that asymptomatic or mild infection without vaccination will also trigger long lasting immunity to the virus and future variants

    For those that have thanked this post I advise that you read the study critically yourselves 

    Please do read the study, everyone

    that clearly don't suit his agenda ?

    Have no agenda, I advised people to get vaccinated in the post you reply to



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    50 in ICU and 2000 cases a day. I think we are doing quite well to be honest.

    We can't shut down the country again because of vulnerable people.

    Just have to get on with it now and if people have to die, they have to die.

    I know that sounds morbid but that's the reality of the situation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    I'm of the view that we may be flattening or certainly growing more slowly and I'd be quite surprised to see 100 in ICU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,968 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Fair enough . Have to say I was so busy looking at the study to see where you had found the 2 month waning that that got missed, apologies so .

    Edit have reread your post again and can't find encouragement for vaccination really there , so I think you need to clarify that .

    On the graph there is obviously going to be more risk of breakthrough infection for the oldest in the group which will skew the data for the younger ones .

    Don't know why they didn't just keep it separate for each age group. That would make a lot more sense , no conflation.

    No , it is not obvious that without vaccination , asymptomatic infection will provide immunity for variants, but with vaccination has been shown to be the most effective .

    There has been a study published a while ago that does indeed show that vaccination in those previously infected does appear to provide very long lasting immunity . Not a reason to go out and become infected but would be of hope to those concerned about a possible mild breakthrough infection post vaccination .

    I am also just pointing out the fact that this UK study among others still does not take into account long term immunity of tcells and memory b cells . Until they do along with antibodies , we will all be anxiously waiting and wondering to see what happens next .

    Good read though , thank you for posting .



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That’s the whole concern, they don’t have one while many other countries do or are at least trying.

    We’ll continue to kick the can down the road. The schools, the winter, the new variant, the new virus and on and on we go



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,968 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Don't want to be speculating about it really .

    Suffice to say imo it is not flattening yet .

    As I said not a cause for panic as much slower burn than previous waves .

    If you can say to me in 6 weeks that I was wrong , I will be happy about that too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭floorpie


    My point is just that I don't think total vaccination is a solution. E.g. from the same paper, Figure 3A shows that the viral load was better for vaccinated people from Dec 2020 to June 2021, but now the viral load is the same amongst vaccinated and unvaccinated, or possibly even higher for vaccinated. Figure S5 shows a similar thing, except for incidence of symptoms, i.e. the incidence of symptoms within 30 days of testing positive is now essentially the same amongst vaccinated and unvaccinated. As such, I'm not sure that total vaccination will allow us to remove restrictions such as social distancing.

    When you combine all of this with waning efficacy, and seasonality, I you're chasing your tail even with booster shots. I think the best thing will be to just boost at-risk people and let everybody else "risk it".



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Of course we're hoping that vaccinating 90% of the adults in the country keeps covid from going off the rails. Why the **** else would we be doing it?


    And what is the alternative?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Maybe the English public health officials actually knew what they were about when they recommend lifting all restrictions early last month. Vaccines + natural infection + summer months = far better outcome for everyone.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Even if it did peak at 100 that's well within the capabilities of the health system.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The UK figures are very encouraging for us though and confirm that the worst of it appears to be over.


    The cautious approach seems to be to let see how opening of schools go but after that it will be open away.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And Boris was sneered and laughed at.

    And now here we are, no possibility of moving forward so kick the can down the road till next year.

    We should just copy whatever the UK do at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    It's the cult of personality unfortunately. BoJo is a bit of a wally and draws the ire. If it was Macron or Merkel making those pronouncements we'd be hearing how brave they were.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭floorpie


    Might be of interest to people here. An algorithm by some Oxford project to calculate your risk of dying from COVID-19.

    Risk Calculator | QCovid™ risk calculator

    My risk of dying is 0.0008%, my risk of hospitalisation is 0.02%. This is based on previous data so factors in social distancing etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    Well my uncle has covid. And my father was over at his house today before he found out. I called around to my parents house and had my dinner there. No precautions taking at all like washing hands or anything. My mother rang me an hour ago to tell me. I feel weak already as soon as I hung up as if I have it. Pure psychological but who knows I could get it now. Damn it.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What age are you,if you are under fifty you will be grand, stop worrying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,130 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 568 ✭✭✭72sheep


    Stop spreading fake news floorpie, my detailed analysis of your situation indicates you are an extremely high risk individual and should be locked up ;-)

    Meanwhile elsewhere the Irish media were recently reporting that COVID was getting ready to tear through the younger cohorts and that up to 20% of those that catch COVID might expect to suffer from Long COVID.  

    It's going to be difficult to ignore:

    1. Solicitors love Long COVID. At this stage, we all probably know multiple Long COVID candidates and notice that they are beginning to form a long queue. Note: this is an entirely rational response to the turmoil they have been put through. However please get ready to pay for their future years of suffering due to this virus. You can take solace by remembering that those solicitors are protecting our public safety, as your stranded 25+ year-old children play Xbox in your spare bedrooms! 

    2. Our government's efforts to equate societal depression due to their lockdown strategy with the actual symptoms of Long COVID. What's that, "brain fog", you say?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,968 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,951 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    "After that it will be open away?"

    Respectfully, but after what we have seen this past 18 months, how on earth can you be so naive?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,968 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Does it factor in vaccination ?

    Looks like I should be writing my will otherwise 😯



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    There will need to be booster shots etc but lockdown and such is over.


    The damage done will take years to recover from and the wall of money that was pumped into the economy has distorted things in a way that is hard to predict the outcome.


    Most people have antibodies now, that's as good as it gets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,951 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Sure its as good as it gets, you know that and I know that.

    But the NPHET governments response has been cowardly and illogical right from the very start, why on earth should we expect them to start thinking logically now?

    Fool me once....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,968 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Sorry are you referring to me ??

    You are so wrong .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭floorpie


    Doesn't seem to actually! Take it with a pinch of salt, the data it uses will have been from the worst of it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,968 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Jeez hope it doesn't.

    Would like to see how it adjusts for that .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,968 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I agree .

    Think that only the elderly and immunocompromised should be given boosters .

    They mention health care workers as higher risk but maybe that too should be triaged depending on level of contact , category of work and level of risk .

    Unfortunately according to floorpie's algorithm I should quit work straight away or get a booster ;)



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