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The 2021 All Ireland Senior Football Championship

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,307 ✭✭✭bobbyss



    Yes sir you are correct. I know little about Gaelic football. Guilty as charged.

    Do you think the three points I made above are reasonable points?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    Should we be looking at sterner action and investigation into on field incidents that escape the attention of the referee and officials? Obviously, the Dublin senior footballers at the weekend really crossed the line but we've had other incidents involving other counties, hurling also. I think we should be looking at serial offenders especially. We know some players went through their whole careers getting away with nasty actions. I'm going to use the example of Phillip McMahon, only because we have video evidence of his antics. He was starting rows, pinching players and so on at the weekend and the last time Dublin played Mayo it was the same? He might have been less likely to participate in that behaviour if he had received appropriate punishment for some of the acts committed previously. Below are some videos I'm using as an example. It's not just Dublin players who have behaved like this, many counties have serial offenders.






  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Do you only watch Dublin matches?

    Any thoughts on Tadhg Kennelly's assault on Nicholas Murphy at the throw in of the 2009 all Ireland final?

    I mean that's a red in any man's language, but because it happened so early in the game it was deemed "too early" to send him off and "ruin the spectacle".

    There's myriad of incidences over the last century you could point to.

    You seem to be advocating for some sort of "competition committee". Imagine that.

    ---

    Far be it from me to tell you what to discuss, but there are 3 teams left in the championship, and surely they're more deserving of discussion than an accidental shoulder to the head from a player on a team that is no longer in the championship after they had lost their first game in 7 years?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,784 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭ArielAtom


    At least my example was part of this season. Just point out that other counties carry on is the lowest of the low.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,784 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    As a Dub you probably didn't follow the story so just to clarify it was an unproven allegation by Andy mcentee, who has form for saying those kinds of things after losing a match. It went nowhere, he was asked for further information and didn't give any, never named a player. That match was televised but no footage was produced. It was never investigated because it didn't happen, the utterances of a sore loser who had just snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory.

    Not sure why you'd even bring it up? Other than to get in some weird little dig because you know I'm from kildare, but you couldn't be that petty surely



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yes McEntee claimed one of his players was spat on in the face but there was no evidence of this so i think you are clutching at straws here. He couldnt name the player and it wasnt caught on camera . I think it was more of sour grapes from McEntee on the day as his team had been beaten



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,741 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Swaine


    Seems Dublin players are involved in this nasty stuff more, though.

    This was classy from Connolly.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    It wasn't yourself I was referring to as "knowing little about Gaelic football", but sure, I'll tar ya.


    What were the three points?

    Did ya look at the goal I posted? Incidentally, if you go back a couple of minutes from that Kick out, Kerry's Paul Heaney had missed a penalty.

    Shot-outs won't work given the goal size, though they have happened. I would hate the AIF to be decided on them. Replays build their own mystique and long may they continue. The 2019 series was wonderful.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,313 ✭✭✭TITANIUM.


    Hes always been at that craic. He approached the mayo player from behind , wrapped his right arm around him and pinched him in the stomach, the mayo player turned around and pinched him back and laughed. Then philly put his 2 hand in the air turning around to remonstrate to the officials. Hand bags stuff really but not something I would be proud of see any of the kerry players doing.

    On the Lane thing, I've never been a fan of his as a ref, but the calls for him to never ref another game are way ott. Obviously he missed the head contact and tried to let the game go. I wouldn't blame small either, for anyone who's played the game, they'll understand that nailing one of those strong shoulder to shoulder challenges can be a real momentum shifter and get the lads around you going, he wasn't far off getting it right, due to my own lack of footballing ability back in the day, those type of very hard shoulders and tackles were bread and butter, but in a high speed one we were always told to error on the side of caution and if your going to miss, miss on the back not the front of a player. All the same Small got it wrong and in hindsight it was a straight red. If he landed the shoulder and few inches to his right, and Dublin score the goal (like they would have in the past), we would be singing his praises. I even hear some plp calling for the shoulder to be banned from the game. God damn it the game already looks enough like basketball.

    The Ref had a bad game but the result was a fair one in the end, hoped all the injured players make speedy recovery and we have 2 more matches to look forward to. Hopefully they'll be entertaining and may the best team Win😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 653 ✭✭✭Treble double


    Exactly, I think there is a lot of lads putting stuff up here that have never kicked a ball. The game is so possession based now that it can be a hard watch, take the hits out of it and it is finished.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,184 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I think there was only one lad that suggested that the shoulder should be removed. Even Titanium made the point that he was coached to ere on the side of caution for high speed shoulder's. The onus is on Small to make sure he makes the eight contact. In this case McLaughlin was wide open so the onus was completely on Small to adjust his position coming in as McLaughlin was not aware of the incoming contact.

    You have this on a lot of sports where the player planning contact is responsible for the safety of the player he is tackling. In Rugby they stopped spearing tackling and tackling in the air. It the responsibility of the a rugby player that if he put a player up into the air in a tackle that he brings him back to ground safely.

    Smalls challenge was reckless in that he had no control of the contact he planned

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 653 ✭✭✭Treble double


    The man most at fault for getting mclaughlin injured is his team mate for giving him that loose pass. It left him open and there isn't a player playing inter County that wouldn't have accepted that gift exactly the same way Small did. Small went to bury him that is the game don't give me this BS about a duty of care or decelerating it's the heat of championship battle, if you are thinking about another players welfare you won't survive out there. Anyone that doesn't understand that doesn't understand the game. Small didn't go out to break his jaw, but he went out to make a statement hit, turn over the ball and change the momentum of the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,644 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    I thought the standard on Saturday was dreadful myself.

    For excitement it was 8/10, but for football it was about a 2/10.

    Ger Gilroy was on other morning saying how football is about to bust open and become a super game. I want what whatever he is smoking.

    If my mother tongue is shaking the foundations of your state, it probably means you built your state on my land.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,141 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Absolutely this!


    Both teams were shocking at times. Mayo and Horan were so bad until they got desperate late on and h ad to career into everything. They had no choice but to


    Dublin so undisciplined, both with the ball and without. Completely lost their way were lazy and should have been out if sight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 653 ✭✭✭Treble double


    I know where you are coming from, but I would say it's the spectacle as opposed to the standard that is the issue.

    I would argue the standards have never been higher with the amount of time modern Gaa players are putting in to it. However higher standards don't mean better spectacles.

    Dublins possession game isn't riveting and when Mayo sat back in the first half it made for poor viewing. When Mayo played with more abandon later in the game the spectacle improved slightly but it was really the fact that it was a close game that made it edge of the seat stuff rather than high skill levels.

    All field sports are like this as far as I'm concerned. The majority of soccer and rugby games are borefests. In Inter County hurling you have the same few teams playing each other who are evenly matched and they produce close games which are lauded as being great spectacles whereas they are only interesting because the result is in doubt up to the end.

    Gaelic Football gets slated as a spectacle, but it is what it is, don't like it then don't watch it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,184 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    While I agree his teammate gave him a hospital pass, the onus is on any player in any sport to make sure he gets the tackle in correctly. In hurling you will get a card for a mistimed use of the hurley and a red card if it makes contact with the head or it is considered a striking offence.

    It's the same in football a mistimed attempt to belt the ball out of a players possession where the fist is closed is considered a striking offence if it makes contact with the body. The onus was on Small to make the contact clean

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭Goodigal


    So true. I was at the game with friends and we discussed how it really didn't feel like an AI semi final at half time. The excitement built as Mayo got back into it second half, but don't know if the slippy conditions made it look poor. Football was not the winner on the night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,126 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Yes it was a hospital pass, no disputing that. But that doesn't mean that it is an invite to literally put the fella in hospital!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    Tadhg Kennelly's tackle was disgraceful. Of course it was a red.

    I think one of the main reasons why the Small incident and others keep getting discussed is because of the ridiculous defense of them. A number of Dubs in the media have really damaged their credibility.

    They're acting as if pointing out a shoulder to the jaw, a punch to the jaw, an elbow to the throat etc are somehow an attack on Dublin! I believe Paul Flynn got called out on the victim complex he was showing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    The injury that could have caused. Did Connolly get a lengthy ban for that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    That's what worries me: a significant portion of the contest was of a very poor standard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,516 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yes, heard that and he deserved it. McConville was having none of the 'anti-Dublin' moan.



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    Not sure if he got a ban over that. If he didnt then he should have been banned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    But the two incidents aren't even comparable. To call Kennelly's assault a 'tackle' after going to town on Small the whole week is vomit inducing. It's almost like you have an agenda or something?

    From my POV, it was a red. I said it on Sunday. But it was no way intentional. I'm an ice hockey fan and intent doesn't come into it and it's all about duty of care (eg. high-sticking, cross-checking), but they have the benefit of replays.

    But as live it looked like a proper thumping shoulder and he slid up into the jaw. The ref had only the live view and no replays and can't pore over it like you are for 6 days straight.

    It's very confusing as to what you hope to achieve by incessantly going around in circles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    No, live it looked like a frontal charge but on the replay it was clear straight away that it was a shoulder to the jaw. Obviously, the ref missed it at the time but there's no reason why Small shouldn't receive a lengthy ban now. Like I've said, these sort of challenges are not wanted on a football pitch, either is punching, elbowing etc, no matter what counties are involved. It's just a pity that high profile Dublin figures are coming out defending this stuff instead of calling it out. It's not the message we should be getting across to our young Gaels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Not from where I sat it didn't

    Were you watching it on TV?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    Yeah, Flynn thought there was an anti Dublin bias in the media of all places and then McConville ripped him apart:

    "When he hit Ryan O'Donoghue a punch in the stomach in the corner of the field - that wasn't genuine. When McCarthy hit O'Connor, that's not genuine. You think that people shouldn't report on that? Anti-Dublin bias? Anti-Dublin bias is the biggest load of bollocks, that is pure, total, and utter dung, that's what that is."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    I'm sure you have seen the replays and can confirm it was a direct shoulder to the jaw? A ban upcoming for Small?



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