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Katherine Zappone Envoy Gig

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Doesn't look like Richard felt intimidated or abused for being asked if he attended or not.

    Down to 9 FG members now to confirm either way.


    Squeaky bums all round.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,782 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Hmmm seems Richard Bruton and lots of other TDs dont mind being held to account. I think Dudley72 is going to have to email all these transparent TDs and tell them its actually online abuse and that they shouldnt be replying to questions from their constituents. Clearly these TDs who have answered have been tricked into doing so and they are in urgent need of education from Dudley72 in online abuse



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    None....but to my eyes,if they are good enough to vote for it,they should be held to same burden of proof required in it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,750 ✭✭✭whippet




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,750 ✭✭✭whippet


    if politicians were having dinner together then yes they are workmates - they all work in Leinster house and across various committees and working groups.

    You have tried and failed to explain the trough metaphor - from websters the meaning of 'snouts in the trough'

    " to be in or get into a situation in which one is getting or trying to get a lot of money"

    Have you any evidence of anyone who was at the dinner who was there in order to get a lot of money ? If so - report it to the guards.

    So .. you used a clichéd metaphor out of context



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    I will respond to this because at least you put forward an opinion.

    First off from day 1 I have said the Zappone role was questionable. I have not changed my opinion since it was announced, what I have rejected on this thread is the false information getting spread around, it started with people suggesting she was part of FF/FG, then wages, then pension, etc etc. I rejected all of these and this seemed to cause an issue. All I was doing was sharing the actually correct information on the potential appointment

    In regards to the Merrion event, I have no opinion on it yet as I don't know enough about it. According to what I can see it was a private event which was within the guidelines. If we are going to stop TD's having a private life then the country has a serious problem. As mentioned here the event is been reviewed and if the finding are different then my opinion will change.

    The main point for the last few days is around this "spreadsheet". I never have and never will submit to online bullies and online trolls, that is it. Now for someone to create this spreadsheet and then start to bombard TD's via twitter is not on in my opinion. First the TDs are all on holidays. Two if they are not on holidays the information if it is involved in their job can be requested via the freedom of information and thirdly this was a private event so if a TD was attending they have done nothing wrong as PCC have not made a ruling.

    We have had a number of people here say a question was asked and the TD could choose to respond or not, but that is not the case as shown here today when people from all over Ireland pick a certain TD and then bombard them with request online, then complain when the TD blocks them.

    I know it is easier for people to go along with these people, don't question them and don't risk the wrath of the online mob. I could easily have done that on this thread and you wouldnt see the responses that I am getting. I didn't because I don't think it is right and it should be called out.

    Lastly that is my opinion, you of course are 100% entitled to yours and I would never say I am ashamed to be Irish because someone has a different opinion. Maybe I am wrong, maybe you are wrong but we both entitled to our opinions. But I can tell you the rest of the World has had enough of these online mobs and are trying everything to stop them, hopefully the Irish people will do the same. Based on what I have seen on twitter today I am glad to say that is happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 481 ✭✭mariab21


    P.S Richard Chambers and Gavan Reilly have both stated they would do the same



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    You are suggesting people have issue with politicians meeting up. They don't.

    Meeting up under questionable circumstances, being secretive and getting the AG to clarify the regulations for a gathering nobody in the entire industry including Failte Ireland, knew was allowed, the event by a politician already offered a job she created by at least one attendee.....is a lot more than workmates having dinner together.

    To take your analogy further;

    A carpenter based in a foreign country creates a role for herself in a company she doesn't work for, then holds a social event with these 'workmates' and invites executives from that company who later award her a tax payer funded position, the carpenter created.

    That **** doesn't happen in anything but crony bizarro political shyster circles.


    There's a smell off the whole affair made worse by Varadkar calling in the AG.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,750 ✭✭✭whippet


    Again your comparing apples with oranges.

    there was nothing secretive about the dinner .. in a hotel .. open to the public in the open outdoor space where anyone could be seen.

    but since you have already decided they may as well have been in some underground layer drinking the blood of bats ... I'll not bother interacting any further.


    as Dudley has already stated if you go against the mob mentality your just inviting the pile on

    good evening



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 481 ✭✭mariab21


    The general public and every single establishment never knew this kind if event was allowed.

    The Merrion somehow knew the full rules but failte ireland were looking confirmation on them at the same time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    The event was in the Merrion hotel, anyone in the hotel that day would have seen the event, I’m sure they had a sign up as you entered to tell you which room to go to. Etc etc

    How was it secretive?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    Grasping at straws, the lack of knowledge about the guidelines or questionable guidelines didn’t suddenly mean an event held in a public place secretive.

    If it was secretive or they want it secretive you have plenty of options around Dublin that nobody would see you. The Merrion is not one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,934 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The poster said, 'being secretive'

    Off on another constructed rant. Tiresome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 481 ✭✭mariab21


    Did i say secretive. I think its pretty strange the merrion is the only Hotel in Ireland that knew the rules. Leo even called them to check rules he signed offf on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    I am comparing rotten apples to rotten apples.

    Attendees are being secretive, if not why the secrecy around who attended? These events are usually all over society pages and the like. Zappone throws a do and there's no photos or anyone willing to say they attended, except Bacik and Varadlkar who got the Attorney General to bail him out of a scenario the entire hospitality industry and Failte Ireland didn't know was allowed?

    Add to that Zappone creating her own job and Varadkar, who was there, supported.

    It was a crony appointment. That's my issue with it. As regards the Merrion event, at a time when nobody knew such events were allowed and when the like of varadkar were telling us not to take the piss, they go and take the piss, which is likely why anyone there is keeping schtum.

    Lads for the final time I'll ask (don't want to be accused of online abuse), what is your interest in this story you say nobody is interested in, while insulting people who voice a negative opinion you don't like regarding politicians you don't support? I've laid out my interest. What's yours?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    The PAC review will decide that. So unless you have any facts to say otherwise it just more speculation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,934 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    He quoted 'facts'.

    Varadkar had to check with the hotel about rules he signed off on. Don't you believe Varadkar?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    PAC in investigating how Zappone got offered a job she conjured up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,570 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I agree absolutely with Whippet. And I also see on the wires the very sad news of the death, by apparent suicide, of Councillor Anthony Flynn, founder of Inner City Helping Homeless in Dublin.

    While there were some reported and unreported issues raised in the last 10 days about that charity, I won't be the one to draw conclusions, but I think it's a timely and sobering lesson of the dangers of stresses and pressures, not least by vexatious persistence or harassment, of any sort on people in public life, be they politicians or any other well known person.

    If wrong doing occurs, if wrong doing is witnessed or suspected, that wrong doing can be reported to various authorities and to be wrong doing it must be a violation of a particular law or code or protocol, not merely a moral judgement or a frenzy by agenda driven groups and individuals, primarily on social media.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    I suggest you contact the mods and ask them why other opinions and different point of view are allowed on this forum. I don't think it should be up to me or the other poster to explain this to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 481 ✭✭mariab21


    The PAC are not deciding anything on the party.

    They are investigating Zappone giving herself a job.

    Leo has already confirmed the Merrion knew the rules (which he signed off on) as he called the Merrion to make sure it was ok. NO other hotel/bar etc knew these events were ok.

    Simple question, do you find it strange NO hotel in Ireland knew these rules but the Merrion did? A simple yes or no question



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Also see lockdown protests

    But then those schoolyard bully tactics enjoyed wide support from opposition parties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    Will you be raising this in other threads where the likes of yourself refer to the homeless/charity 'industry' while denying a problem even exists?

    Using the man's supposed suicide to reference pressure rightly put on crooked politicians is pretty low IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    Poor try. Didn't question your having an opinion, asked you a number of times what your interest was? You say nobody is interested, you certainly are. I was asking why?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,934 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    'Wide support'?

    Who supported the anti lockdown protests in the Dáil?



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,960 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    If I was asked to answer that question and I hadn't been at Zappone's party I wouldn't respond in any way.

    I'm surprised at the amount of reps that have answered the question who weren't there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    They know it's not a good look to have attended. If they were actual colleagues on a team, they'd say nothing, but each one is ultimately out for his/her self.



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  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,960 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    Oh I get that and if anything I'm disappointed in how the media have walked away from a (on the face of it) a rancid appointment to a made up job. Throw in a shindig that looked to most to break known regs.... yeah, yeah I'm fully on board with that.

    But if I wasn't there and asked on Twitter to account for myself on that day? Nah. Get lost.



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