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Second Captains Part II

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,848 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Miguel Delaney is saying PSG will make pogba an offer he can’t refuse in 2022, cited on the show today. Hard to doubt the king of the scoop.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    It's lovely when you get your month's monies worth in one day (and yeah I know Monday is free).

    Gonna listen back again to the soccer one tomorrow on the way to work.

    Best €5 p.m money can buy..."pie jasu... Pie jasu...". Never gets old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,851 ✭✭✭Raoul




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭dr.kenneth noisewater


    Have heard/seen this a couple of times. Makes sense for both really, no transfer fee for PSG and huge wages for Pogba.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,375 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kingp35


    I'm enjoying this new rivalry between Paul Flynn and Oisin McConville!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭Seans_Username


    Ridiculous take from Paul Flynn. So glad Oisin buried him with his response. People have hated this Dublin team for nasty antics over the last decade, and he has the gall to say there's an anti-Dublin media bias?

    It's astonishing how insulated some Dublin pundits/fans are. There's many, many reasons why people dislike their football team and they honestly can't see it.

    I've been a bit mixed about Paul Flynn at times over the season, some good inputs but someone on this thread called it right, he's too corporate. And after today, well, as a wise man once said, he went down in my estimation when he said that...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,597 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    And with Mbappe himself a free agent next summer, if he goes, Pogba is the perfect PR replacement. One French talisman for another.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭UpTheSlashers


    Very tense exchange between Flynn and McConville today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,247 ✭✭✭duffman13


    Possibly but isn't there a really large anti Pogba sentiment from a large part of the PSG fan base


    Given his previous comments about Marseille I'm not sure he'd be keen to go there or the fans would want him but money talks I suppose



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    Flynn made a fool of himself. He was taken to school by McConville over the "duty of care" angle too.


    I don't support any GAA team, and wouldn't normally have listened to the pod today when I saw the description but my playlist rolled over to it and I ended up listening to it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,151 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Thought Ken's trolling game was weak yesterday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 737 ✭✭✭bamayang


    Flynn really underestimated the challenge of taking on McConville.

    He had some interesting points later about the Dublin team and standards, but the bit of about anti Dub was nonsense and McConvillr was right to go after it as hard as he did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,851 ✭✭✭Raoul


    I enjoyed Paul Flynn asking "have you read the rule book?". That backfired when Oisin answered "yes". It was weird hearing the raised voice from Oisin. Such BS from Paul Flynn though and rightly Oisin called him out on it.


    Pillar Caffrey was also saying similar stuff, probably worse as he was saying that everyone he spoke to was saying it was a great hit. He was basically laughed at and told that just wasn't right at all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,031 ✭✭✭deisedude


    Not a fan of Paul Flynn at all. Can just imagine him at the front of a meeting room talking corporate waffle to a room of stooges who will eat it up.

    That being said the tension between himself and Oisinn has made for great podcast content!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,848 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    surely there is a Nobel prize to be awarded to Oisin for not being online? Pretty disgusting he wasn’t applauded by the other contributors. He seems to think he deserves it.

    I thought that part of the conversation was a shitshow to be honest. Paul Flynn has a point on the abuse of amateur players (and referees) which is getting way too close to the bone. I understand philly mcmahon was abused about his brother and Da dying on Twitter. Dublin fans are no shrinking violets themselves when it comes to online abuse.


    but anyway paul flynn got his point across badly and Oisin went in like John small did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,851 ✭✭✭Raoul


    I think he got his point across quite well. It was just an awful point to be making. I didn't see the abuse he was getting about his brother and his Da. I am online. I presume it was very much a small element then. I didn't really see any abuse of John small. I think he has been given the benefit of doubt by most people. I don't know the guy at all. But it looked to me like he didn't really care where he got the other player.


    Flynn's point about the players having no duty of care? Absolute nonsense and the sort of attitude that should be nowhere near the game. I would hope he isn't coaching any young players.


    Of course players should have a duty of care. In so many other sports you wouldn't get away with that. American football, it would be a hit on a defenceless receiver and in rugby it would be a high tackle. Two games that are much more vicious than GAA. GAA seem to be all high and mighty at times over other sports, in particular over soccer. GAA has zero reason to be on any high horse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,848 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    shoulder charge a guy while observing a duty of care towards him. I don’t think that makes any sense outside of a rule book.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,851 ✭✭✭Raoul




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,848 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    because any time you physically monster someone legally (which a shoulder amounts to) you can’t do it in a way that is mindful to the safety of an opponent. You can write those words down in a rulebook but they don’t make any sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,851 ✭✭✭Raoul


    Of course they make sense. You can shoulder a player, shoulder to shoulder. That would be taking into account the care of the other player. Not shoulder to the jaw. Or to the chest or in the back. If you mistime it, it's your fault and you should be put off.

    If it is shoulder to shoulder then you are most like going to hurt the player but injure them. Big difference.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,848 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    a shoulder to a head is illegal within the rules so that’s nothing to do with a duty of care. I don’t understand how I can shoulder or be shouldered while a duty of care is being observed. Suppose I am fairly shouldered but still get my shoulder dislocated.... did the opponent observe a duty of care? Talking about a duty of care is rulebook nonsense talk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    Is breaking someone's jaw not 'abuse'?

    Disgusting stuff from the Dubs on Saturday imo, thank god there's no Omerta in calling out thugs as thugs.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭MyPeopleDrankTheSoup


    that was ridiculous, it should be oisin asking paul has he read the rule book and seen the bit about duty of care.

    it made no sense paul asking oisin and when he said yes, passing it as off 'yerra you must have been the only one to read it'. in paul's head everybody is winging it and nobody has any real idea of the rules



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭elefant


    You must be being intentionally obtuse. If you're thundering in for a shoulder you have a duty to be careful and execute that shoulder correctly, and so not connect with your opponent's head.

    Injuring someone obviously doesn't necessarily mean you didn't show care.



  • Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Flynn was spot on for the most part and the finger wagging at him here probably only enforces his point really. A large number of news outlets and reporters tried their damnedest to paint the picture it was an elbow on Sunday evening in an effort to get Small vilified.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 611 ✭✭✭redbuck


    Flynn made a fool of himself with the all the media are out to get Dublin including Oisin on the Sunday Game, good man Oisin for correcting Flynn's guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,848 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Again, It’s set out within the rules that contact with the head (in any attempted tackle) is not allowed within the rules so I don’t get the tacked on “duty of care to an opponent” when as you put it you’re “thundering into them with a shoulder”.


    you can’t thunder into someone with a shoulder while observing a duty of care. Its laughable.


    if you actually want to go deeper into the rules, a shoulder charge isn’t really legal at all. The scope with which shoulder charges are legal as follows...

    • If contact is made to opponent’s head
    • If opponent has no opportunity to protect himself
    • If contact/impact is excessive or causes injury
    • If the elbow/forearm/hurley is part of the contact
    • If the player making contact jumps or has two feet off the ground
    • If the player making contact had a realistic alternative by way of challenging opponent
    • The direction and distance covered by the player who makes contact

    So effectively the scope is so limited that Oisin citing the rulebook is virtually meaningless. The rulebook is ridiculous.


    if matches were refereed strictly by the rulebook there would be a free every couple of seconds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 312 ✭✭JuanJose


    Enjoying the tussles between Flynn & McConville.

    Oisín got very cranky at some long overdue pushback on what passes for analysis on The Sunday Game. Kind of ironic that a guy should label a shoulder as "shocking" having played in the Ulster Championship throughout his career.

    The team assembled by Sky are leaving RTE in their slipstream. Never thought I'd be saying that.

    Hope John Casey enjoyed his popcorn! :-D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭elefant


    The duty of care on the pitch lies with each individual player to act in accordance with the rules. You have a duty of care not to shoulder someone in the head. If you make a mistake and break the rules, you're punished for that. It's not laughable, it's the basis for all the rules.


    What you've written in bold there isn't in the rulebook.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,851 ✭✭✭Raoul


    Tbf, it is in the referee handbook. Is that different to the rulebook?

    The handbook isn't that arduous really. 84 pages but half of it is taken up by cover pages and pictures.

    https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/ogd9kegh1slxnvvuwmll.pdf



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