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Bob Dylan Sex Abuse Allegation

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  • Posts: 15,055 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Except that there've been lots of false allegations, but no, you know your stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,194 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    When the stuff came out about Placido Domingo, I remember thinking, if that was the fundamental reason he got into music, he's in the wrong genre. There doesn't seem to be a groupie scene around opera, so he ends up making unwelcome advances to his co-stars...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 423 ✭✭chosen1


    Whether it's true or not, his reputation is tainted. The same thing happened with several other famous people in the USA and UK, but as far as I'm aware, he would not be named in Ireland.

    I can't understand how it's fair for someone to be named based on an allegation as even if proven innocent, there will always be those who will claim there was no smoke without fire.

    If it's proven true in a court of law, that's a different story and should get what's coming to him, but not before that.



  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Except all the people that do make it up.

    Lol. You're one of the ones that think we live in a rape culture aren't you?



  • Posts: 9,106 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd place that more in the "actors" category than I would the "RnR" category and a lot lower on the assault scale than the allegation we have in this thread- harassing fellow musicians, singers etc is quite a lot different to rape allegations of a minor.

    From a RnR perspective, leaving aside Michael Jackson and the multiple allegations, in modern times, the R&R genre has tended to only report on B-list music artists such as the disgusting Garry Glitter and some members of glam rock UK bands from the 70s- there's some modern 21st century examples too but again mainly b-list - yes, indeed, go back far enough in R&R time, and you've got Chuck Berry, Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis and others who were all associated with under-age girls in one guise or another- but in the main, the A-listers of the 60's 70's and 80's have somehow been unreported.










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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    He was in tour in England at the time so the dates dont match. #DoubtAllWomen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,412 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Knock knock

    Who there?

    Luke

    Luke who?






    Luke up Steven Tyler statutory rape on the google there



  • Posts: 9,106 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That doesn't "prove" anything either way- the alleged victim states that the "grooming" and "abuse" happened "at certain times" over a period of 6 weeks between April and May '65- Dylan's tour dates of England run from 30th April to May 10th.


    I get the feeling that the accuser has her facts and her dates very clear and given her age, it's likely that Bob knew her mother i.e. that it's unlikely a 12 year old girl was in regular company with Bob Dylan without her parents or guardians' knowing where she was- that of course, is assuming that these allegations have any credibility to them. I assume that such a case would not be put forward without some form of credible evidence?


    https://gaslightrecords.com/news/bob-dylan-uk-tour-dates



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Why cut a cheque if innocent, he should fight it



  • Posts: 3,842 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If she didn’t notice he was in England for a lot of that time and didn’t mention it it’s meaningful.

    Bob Dylan is the most documented person in history. He tours so much people have reconstructed his life. It would be easy to catch a false accusation out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,194 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf




  • Posts: 9,106 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There's plenty of groupie "stories" out there- I mean, you can add the famous Mandy Smith-Bill Wyman saga to that which was well publicised at the time, and of course Bowie who's underage alleged encounter story was recently reported too- to name but 2 - but extraordinarily, the legal and criminal cases have been few and far between.



  • Posts: 9,106 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I guess you can't help thinking about the accuser in all of this too though. What have they gone through in life to get to this stage to instigate a legal process? Because Dylan is so revered, so influential in the past, so much a part of the early 60's rebellion era that went on to shape future teenage attitudes and culture- a modern day American and in some respects, global icon-and especially since nothing of this nature has been raised so publicly in the past, I'll certainly give him the benefit of the doubt at this early stage - but between this, the "American Dad" Cosby cases, and other events in recent times, it does go to show, best not elevate any human being too high up on a pedestal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,232 ✭✭✭✭Strumms



    Absolutely, I’m just saying maybe she is angling after a cheque thinking he’ll want to avoid bad publicity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    You always felt there was something dodgy about him and he as always struck you as a strange character hiding something. Ok these comments are showing you up as someone that know absolutely nothing about Bob Dylan except a passing glance on TV 2 or 3 times in your life. Dylan is a strange character and has always behaved like he was hiding something, especially when talking to the press. I'll educate you seen as you clearly have no idea what you are dealing with. Bob Dylan is a musical and poetic genius, now this is recognised globally by fans and people who are not fans but know anything about music. Awarded the Nobel prize for literature, this is extremely rare for a popular musician to get this award and only the second time in over 160 years. Dylan’s lyrical output rewards thorough exploration like no other artist of the last 100 years, his influence on writers, songwriters and poets means, like him or not (and many justifiably choose the latter course such as yourself) he is a major figure in the history of the written word, comparable in many ways to his fellow singer-guitarist James Joyce. But then Joyce never won a Nobel Prize. Now by all means discuss the accusations at hand but please keep your ill informed ignorant character judgements to yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭olestoepoke




  • Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Dylan just doesn't seem the type. But I guess you never know with people. If more women come forward, then it could all fall apart very quickly. I'm hoping it's not remotely true, but no mercy if it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,900 ✭✭✭Allinall




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    Hiding something from the press? Why would he ever do that I wonder??



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 443 ✭✭TP_CM


    Do you think he'd remember this? I can't remember people I was with 20 years ago. I can't imagine trying to remember someone from 60 years ago. Particular his in prime when there were loads of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    If the accuser tries to defend getting the dates wrong because it was five and a half decades ago Dylans defence lawyers will go to town on her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,248 ✭✭✭Del Griffith




  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well, I would guess that if the allegations are true, then you would remember it! Sexually abusing a 12 year old would hardly slip your mind.

    of course, im not suggesting it's definitely true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭olestoepoke




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,117 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    An interesting point to note about Chuck Berry, Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis and others who were all associated with under-age girls in one guise or another, they were known to be with underage girls and it wasn't seen as a problem. Just famous people having the craic with young wans, as is their right.

    I think this should be considered when asking why the woman took so long to come forward with the allegation. It wasn't seen as a problem for the famous man back then. We know from our own country that a young person making an allegation against a high status man was not usually taken seriously and didn't end well for the child.

    They might also consider the allegations of grooming and threats of physical violence when considering why she might not have come forward until now. But let's be honest, the ones who ask why it took until now to make the allegation are usually not on the fence about whether it happened or not. They usually oppose metoo and are on the side that it didn't happen.

    Being bound by honesty, I have to say I don't know if it happened, and all I can do it wait for the results of the investigation and court case,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,117 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Depends if it was a big event at the time. As I pointed out in the post above the likes of Chuck Berry, Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis and others who were all associated with under-age girls in one guise or another and it wasn't a big issue. If BD was I to the same craic with young wans, it might not even have been pass remarkable in that culture, let alone particularly memorable. Throw drugs into the mixture and he might not remember much about it even if it was pass remarkable.

    We don't know. Pretending we do know is both silly and dangerous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭screamer


    This is not a question of how likeable or not the man or his lyrics are…….. going on about his contribution to music etc has 0 to do with whether he is innocent or guilty of the allegations.

    this case aside, It is easy to see though, why so much goes unreported, it’s the pedestal these stars are put on that can make them seem untouchable and woe betide anyone who’d dare accuse them of anything, such is their popularity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,117 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    "Because Dylan is so revered, so influential in the past, so much a part of the early 60's rebellion era that went on to shape future teenage attitudes and culture- a modern day American and in some respects, global icon-and especially since nothing of this nature has been raised so publicly in the past, I'll certainly give him the benefit of the doubt at this early stage"

    The fact that Dylan is revered, influential, popular and contribute to art and a global figure, shouldn't even be considered in all this. Its equivalent to saying a priest couldn't have done similar because they're such a pillar of the community.

    The two things are not even related, let alone the first making the second less likely. Its a red herring because it is absolute, clear, naked bias and prejudice. We should just wait for the investigation and we really shouldn't try to backfill the evidence with bias and prejudice.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Perhaps you've never been the victim of, or target of, an abuser.

    It can be an extremely difficult thing to come to terms with and it's often much easier to just bury it than confront it.

    And given that the alleged abuser in this case is one of the most famous people on the planet that just makes it so much harder to deal with.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



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