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Katherine Zappone Envoy Gig

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    It's not. You get more from social welfare for sitting on your ass at home on twitter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭whippet


    No it is not … especially when you have a wealth of experience and history behind you. But the outraged will keep telling themselves that and it will keep fueling the massive sense of their own insignificance

    I’m in the IT sector and the going rate is approx €1000 + VAT per day for senior consultants … €260 per day is a pittance in comparison



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 481 ✭✭mariab21


    I doubt many TDs will lie to people in there area as, same with everything the names will come out somehow.

    P.S Some TDs have confirmed attendance, 98 said they wernt at it (some say were invited though)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭whippet


    Why would it go to PAC - was there money from the Irish state involved ?



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  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The job deosnt exist,only for she invented it for herself


    Its not needed,its quite clearly a scam to accumulate excessive expenses out of irish taxpayer (she has form for this)...as if we dont pay em enough to begin with,they invent titles for emselves,what a jokeshop



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    An investigation by PAC is already underway I believe. It wants to find out what process was followed in Zappone awarding herself the job.

    The salary and any expenses is completely irrelevant IMO. Trying to use the salary as a reason to let this rampant cronyism continue is what has us lumbered with FF/FG who think they are entitled to play fast and loose. What's to stop another crony appointment carrying a wage you do have issue with?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 481 ✭✭mariab21


    Maths isn't the strong point if you think 15k is less than 52 X 201



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭whippet




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72



    THe only reason everyone was outraged was because they thought she was on huge wages, getting a bump on pension etc. When all of that was clarified it dropped to the usual crowd who are outraged over everything.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭whippet


    Ah right - so you have made up your mind before any investigation !!! Lets do away with courts, the PAC, the legal system and just get on to all the Karen’s on Twitter to tells us what is right and wrong


    pathetic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    When I see people complain about Twitter it's always, always mind, because they don't like what people are saying. Like Soylent Green. Twitter is people. Trying to say 'nobody is talking about this except Twitter' is like saying 'nobody is interested in this except the people I see on social media'. Well apart from calling up random members of the public, how do you know what people are or are not talking about? It's simply insulting the public because they aren't following your party line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    It doesn't matter what happens, people get outraged. Then when proved wrong never an apology, just move onto the next thing to get outraged over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭whippet


    What party line?

    its well known that social media companies use their algorithms to keep feeding you stuff that you either like / share / agree with to keep you scrolling - echo chamber stuff

    The vast majority of people I’d follow on SM couldn’t care less about Zappone … so obviously your in a different echo chamber and are in their with the outraged - being fuelled by the likes of Cosgrave



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭1874


    An annual equivalent is about 110k euros, so Id say 15k for 50 days work is significant. Another poster seems to think it would be taxed at 40%, I'm not convinced it would, maybe 20% being abroad (even though she doesnt seem to reside in Ireland). It's possible it might not even get taxed at all given the salary amount. It was always more about the expenses for her imo (as someone also said, she has form), but so do FG generally what with Coveney still explaining it away as if it it doesnt matter.

    Im equally as pi$$ed about the potential this "job" had for expenses as I am for the fact that she invented it for herself and FG just signed off on it like it's not a big deal, it clearly isn't for them and their attitude stinks if that is their view on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    Twitter lost it value years ago when people figured out they could have multiple accounts. If you check any of these stories its the same dummy accounts who are outraged. So what you have is 1 person with 20+ accounts sharing the same rubbish and then talking about it "trending".

    The public you can easily spot on twitter etc, very few of them are going around abusing TD's. You will also see when they make any sort of decent comment they get attacked by the twitterbots mentioned above. It's not just twitter. Look at the government pages on facebook etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    Calm yourself.

    We know Zappone created the title of the role and therefore had a hand in what the job entailed. We know it was created for her. We know Varadkar and Coveney backed it and forgot to tell Martin. This position was conjured up for Zappone. These are the facts and they bear investigating.

    As regards PAC, they are looking into the process/best practice and what was and wasn't followed.

    Twitter is people. If peoples opinions differing from your own is triggering, maybe log off Twitter?



  • Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is it Zapp-own or Zapp-own-ee? I'm trying to write a Limerick here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    What maths did you do? an average person works 220 days a year. SO that is 66k per year before tax



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Dept of forgien affairs


    It deosnt exist as a job,its utterly utterly the government trying to pull a fast one for a mate


    An fairly serious review should be done of all other quangos and prick about jobs funded by here....its farcial whats going on



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    Well I'm rarely on Twitter. I'm speaking on the comments here whinging about reading things they disagree with and blaming the platform like 4 or 5 people constitute Twitter.

    I've only ever read Cosgrove as posted on here. That's another thing I find 'pathetic' as you say, people spending so much time attacking Cosgrave rather than sticking to the story and disagreeing or calling him out. Anytime a story is broke or mentioned, the source gets hammered, as you say, pathetic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭whippet


    But isn’t that how special envoys are usually appointed ? Is ‘freedom of expression’ something the Irish value as a nation ? Is Zappone qualified to represent Ireland on the issue.

    I’m sure anyone couple petition the government to be considered for an Envoy gig - but you’d want to be able to back it up.

    Anyway Zappone doesn’t need the money - so it was never about the money



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    Unlike yourself I can't speak for everyone, but the wage only came out when the likes of Coveney followed by yourself were trying to use it as a reason to ignore the cronyism.

    Trying to smear people as 'the usual crowd' doesn't change the crony nature of the issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,691 ✭✭✭dubrov


    In fairness, Twitter represents the opinions of only a small subset of generally vocal people.

    I wouldn't bet your life savings on an election based on Tweets



  • Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Anyone?

    See, if it's 'Zapp-own-ee' I could have

    There was a young lass called Zappone

    Who went out to dine with her cronies

    But if it's Zapp-own, I would have to think more along the lines of

    There once was a lass called Zappone

    Who never ate dinner alone

    Thanks in advance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭1874


    An average person, so you're not counting TDs working year?

    Well, fyi, an average person who is working a 40 hour week works every week of the year, where are you getting 220 days.

    40 hours in some form leaves most (an average working person) with 2 days off at the weekend, you're cutting those days out to make it look like the Zappone gig is less than what people are saying, are you not counting an average persons legal entitlement to vacation or should an average person not get paid for that?

    This Zappone gig was a scam from start to finish, those involved dont see it as that because they make the rules for themselves so by that rationale, they are breaking no rules.

    None of this was suppose to have ever been noticed, gone under the radar and been forgot about by the time the Dail was back, the thing is, it did get noticed. It restores my faith in people that there are some out there who are watchful for this kind of cronyism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭aidoh


    As is often the case, some important points are getting lost in the weeds of semantics here.

    To reiterate what appears to have happened, and why it is potentially a big ol' juicy scandal:

    • Zappone hosts a gathering for political elites at a time when said elites are still twisting themselves into knots warning the rest of the country of the grave dangers posed by this virus. The gathering was either illegal or against guidelines. The elites are not concerned by such pedantic arguments anyway because only smelly proles are stupid enough to catch Covid, and the elites are too smart and important to suffer the day-to-day indignities of the restrictions that they expect the rest of the country to follow. Guidelines are for normies after all, not the big important boys and girls who invented them.
    • A short while later, Zappone is quietly and conveniently appointed a totally non makey-upey job without open competition. Looks like the elite party was a successful attempt at currying favour from important peers. Chimpanzee societies do the same thing before political upheaval, as an aside.
    • Word gets leaked that the hotel event took place, shortly prior to Zappones controversial appointment. Media fail to even attempt to join the dots. It's crazy to suggest that the hotel bach is in any way connected to said appointment.
    • There is some initial fuss about the appointment not being OKd by the Taoiseach but then media loses interest.
    • In the meantime, the Tánaiste writes to the Attorney General in an arse-covering exercise, who swiftly and un-suspiciously clarifies that no guidelines were breached and actually the limit for outdoor gatherings has been 200 people for ages. Nobody else in the entire country knew about this increased capacity change. Dancing and music are suddenly no longer illegal, except for at weddings.
    • Just as the story is gaining traction again (on social media), the legacy media use diversion tactics: Hey look over there! The Healy-Rae's hosted several MASKLESS Covidiots in their pub!
    • Diversion largely works. The public don't care too much about the hotel gathering anymore because the legacy media aren't telling them to care about it. A handful of people on social media keep the story going for another week or two but are labelled as work-shy "conspiracy theorists" and shinners. Twitter subsequently gets involved and deletes tweets with a certain hashtag to remove it from the list of trending topics.


    Few questions I would ask if I was a journalist

    1. Who was in attendance? In particular, which TDs attended and were any RTÉ employees on the guestlist?
    2. Was public money used?
    3. Did everybody in attendance need to produce a digital C-19 passport?
    4. If C-19 regulations weren't followed, will the hotel in question face any fines?


    Personally I don't see this story going away, despite the transparent attempts to bury it.

    But I have no idea how journalists appear to have no interest in pursuing a story that has the makings of a government-endingdebacle that could usher in a general election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    Jesus you're grasping.

    PAC are looking into it.

    Coveney said on RTE that he was thinking of creating a LGBTQ type of role and she said she wanted a 'Free speech and Freedom of expression' role. Add to that they aren't tripping over themselves to replace her. We don't know the details of the job, (likely Coveney doesn't either).

    Would Zappone be stepping on this lady's toes:

    Irene Zubaida Khan (Bengali: আইরিন জোবায়দা খান; born 24 December 1956) is a Bangladeshi lawyer appointed as of August 2020 to be the United Nations Special Rapporteur for freedom of expression and opinion, the first woman appointed to this mandate.[1] She previously served as the seventh Secretary General of Amnesty International (from 2001 to 2009). In 2011, she was elected Director-General of the International Development Law Organization (IDLO) in Rome, an intergovernmental organization that works to promote the rule of law, and sustainable development. She was a consulting editor of The Daily Star in Bangladesh from 2010 to 2011

    Can you point me in the direction of a FF/FG/crony who would say, 'sure I've enough money, I'll do this for nothing'?

    They don't pay these people based on need.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    Don't go on it much myself. Point is because you read opinions you don't like, it doesn't make them wrong because they're on Twitter.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    Doesn't make them right either. Twitter is used constantly as some sort of source of valid information. In reality the majority of information on twitter is rubbish. MIT tracked it and it is 70% more likely a false story will be shared than a true one.



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