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New Alternative News Channel "GB News" chaired by Andrew Neil launching - read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭KildareP


    Resigned, after being very publicly suspended. Had he been employed longer it could well have been a constructive dismissal.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,524 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Or he was given either that option or the sack and chose to resign. Let's be honest, we've no way of knowing for sure but GB News is precisely the sort of trolling echo chamber that would absolutely sack someone for having any sort of independent thought.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,096 ✭✭✭✭banie01




  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's only humiliating for the minority of vocal people who argue that Farage "doesn't like foreigners".

    The fact that an innocent 6-year old has been indoctrinated and exploited by parents to make a political point is far more concerning.

    Very worrying footage indeed.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,524 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    You mean the man who's only solution to any problem is fewer foreigners? The only time he'll ever talk about issues is when he can push some sort xenophobic narrative so yeah, that's one awfully astute six year old right there.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,800 ✭✭✭Rawr


    One thing I that has me wondering about is the financial longevity of the channel. I believe that I may have read at one point (and I can be wrong here) that their initial investment alone would probably keep them going at least a year, all going well.

    Costs-wise I'm imagining a very lean operation with perhaps no more than 2 dozen people at their studio, and that might even include the presenters. There was mention once of them using a lot of automated studio equipment. If true, I can imagine most shows generally consisting of the presenter, and perhaps no more than one or two on-set producers in the room to switch everything on and try to make sure that nothing much goes wrong.

    So all in, you've got the staff costs for a small to medium sized office, the presenter fees (which I guess Farage is taking the larger share of) and then any other costs related to rental of a central London location + operating costs of the channel.

    But against that, how is the channel's income? Their biggest potential source of income as a TV channel is advertising...but with low ratings the value of that advertising will also be low. Their most valuable block of advertising is probably around the Farage show, but in there you might get slate of advertisers keeping their distance from that kind of programming as has happened with Sainsburys. If they are monitised at all on YouTube, their income from that might at best pay for the staffer who manages that channel.

    Without actually knowing the state of their income, and just using my imagination, I can see a situation where GB News is just buring through their investment cash to keep things ticking over until they hope they can get to a point where the advert revenue will become valuable enough for them to break even and very best-case to turn a profit. Failing that, they may hope to get another invester involved by the end of the year.

    Failing either, the channel will likely run out of cash at some point when the investment runs out. Then I imagine it'll be more of a question of:

    a) Last minute investment to keep them going a bit longer

    b) Defaulting on all of their debts and being forced to close a few months later.

    c) Seeing the writing on the wall and planning a closure of the channel.

    So I feel it's all down to the value of advertising. They need to improve that, or it's just a matter of time before the channel will likely close.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,977 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    from the same school of thought as "doing charity work = paedophile".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,916 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    You mean he expressed his right to free speech/expression? And the anti cancel culture crowd cancelled him?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,524 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I appreciate that you've put in a fair bit of effort with this but all I can think of is why the f*ck someone in 2021 would start a TV news channel. BBC and Sky's channel's would not be started in 2021. That's a commercial decision that wouldn't be made for obvious reasons as they're obviously relics of a time when people actually watched TV.

    Honestly, I think the only avenue for GB News now is to just go full on Fox News, anti-vax, great replacement like the dying ideology it's trying so desperately and failing so miserably to spread. Not even Conservatives and Brexit voters want to watch it. I remember respecting it as a threat to the standards of debate at one point. I never thought it would such a petty, ignominious failure.

    A news channel in 2021 when VOD and Youtube exist. It's true that a fool and their cash are easily parted I suppose.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    False representation, and you know it. I've clarified this 1,000 times at this stage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,800 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Oh for sure, that alone is an excellent point. I was just pondering when they'd run out of cash.



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The reality is that we simply don't know enough about their finances. All of this is pure conjecture.

    This is the equivalent of an individual seeing some object in the sky, concluding "...it must be a UFO!!!", rather than just admitting they just don't know what it is.

    Better to admit ignorance rather than cling to blind certainties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,634 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's funny to pop in every few days to see nothing has changed.

    It's just out Inuit friend going round in circles and willing to say absolutely anything to defend his master's

    The silent majority is listening though and any day now they are gonna tune in in their millions.

    Any day now.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,096 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    It really isn't. What you said is still there for anyone who cares to read it and no amount of "what I really meant" changes that. Your words and indeed your repeated reinforcing posts make very clear what you said.

    It wasn't a leaving cert poem, a Bible verse it was clear prose from you not requiring any interpretation or clarification.

    You made the link you drew with charity, paedophilia and Marcus Rashford crystal clear.

    You wanting to move on from your statements, wanting to clarify, or just wanting every other poster on the thread to forget what you posted and indeed reiterated multiple times? Do you think that those insights into your thought process will be omitted solely because you want to move on, or that you think they've been dealt with?



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I 100 percent stand by my comments.

    I wouldn't change one syllable.

    The problem is that my comments have been deliberately misconstrued.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,977 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    They think they can gaslight people but forget that we have the receipts in black and white. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,096 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Nope, you claim they have been but as I said. What you posted paints a crystal clear picture of your thought process and that you stand by every syllable?

    Well it just reinforces the picture.



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not at all. I've made my comments clear.

    Either they were misinterpreted, misremembered, or deliberately misconstrued is another question.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Ah yes, the old Silent Majority. As always translating to misplaced hubris about one's own views, it being alien to think they might be ever a minority one. It's a beautiful conceit really: can't prove they exist, can't prove they don't exist either (well, you can with polls, but something-something, mainstream media). I remember the Silent Minority well from that time our marriage and abortion referenda - or indeed our Presidential election - were shot down by this simmer demographic of upstanding citizens; those we were told had had enough of this liberal dystopia / nanny-state we lived under.

    ... Oh.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,524 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It really isn't. This fanatical defense of a glorified trolling operation makes no sense to me.

    The fact that you have to invoke UFO's of all things to reasoned criticism of the failing business model of TV news in the 21st century comes across as shrill hysterics. Then again, given that you compared Marcus Rashford to Jimmy Saville, taking the knee to Nazi salutes and called an Englishman on the thread an Anglophobic racist, should I be surprised? No.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,524 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I think what we're witnessing is the death throes of a dying ideology. GB News is a perfect example of this. Modern conservative thought can be effortlessly distilled down to three components: corruption, trolling and cruelty. There's literally nothing else. I tried to name a conservative thinker who best captured the rightwing zeitgeist and the best I could do was Donald "Inject bleach to cure covid" Trump.

    This is why conservatives must deflect all the time, hence the endless xenophobic and transphobic tangents. This is also the impetus for the incessant claiming of victimhood. In fairness, as someone who enjoys strategy games, it makes perfect sense to avoid engaging your opponent on ground favourable to them. It also makes sense to employ dishonorable tactics if honorable ones won't do.

    It's the same reason behind the cheating that conservatives must employ to win elections such as gerrymandering or unrepresentative voting systems. Ditto for voter suppression tactics in response to an entirely fabricated voter fraud issue. So much easier to stop people voting or to disregard their votes entirely than to forumulate new ideas. Of course, then the issue is that global crises such as climate change and inequality (not to mention the associated toxic debating tactics and conspiracy theories) are the results of "common sense conservatism" so this is again entirely predictable.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Whilst it's true to say no one has any idea how much cash they have on hand or how much their backers have put up or will put up in the future, we can say with absolute categoric certainty that they are not profitable.

    They are losing money every minute they are on air - How much they are losing we don't know , how long they can sustain those losses we also don't know.

    They will stay on air until the money runs out or their financial backers stop writing cheques - That could be days, weeks, months or maybe even years.

    But they will never be profitable or financially self-sustaining.



  • Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You compared Rashford to the two most famous paedophiles of our time.

    You didn't compare him to people who are famous for hiding behind charity work to further their own wants until you were pressed on the matter after the fact. Even then, you roped the Clintons into it. The Clintons who, of course, have long been tarnished with similar accusations of child abuse from the Conservatives in the states.

    I am unaware of any of the Clintons ever having been charged with using their foundation as a Trojan Horse. Unlike, say, the Trumps, who are all banned from ever being involved with the upper tiers of charitable organisations after they did exactly what you are now claiming you were accusing Rashford for all along.....i.e. using Charity to feather their own nest.

    This is a form of backtracking that you are using without actually backtracking......."What?....oh, no, you guys are mistaken, what I really meant was..X...and if you picked it up differently, then that's your fault"

    If you were misinterpreted or misconstrued, then that is on your own shoulders. You should have picked better examples instead of those two scumbags who are primarily known for abusing kids and using their secondary traits as a yardstick. Look at it this way, if I claimed you were very like Josef Fritzl and Ariel Castro..........would you think I was commenting on your DIY and home improvement skills?......Or would you take issue with the fact that you were being associated with two monsters who imprisoned and abused young women for years?

    But, again, you weren't misinterpreted or misconstrued because you deliberately and 100% unapologetically compared him to the two greatest child sex fiends this generation has known. Not to two people famous for hiding behind charity work, but to two people famous for having sex with kids. That was your implication. You know it, we know it, the dogs on the street know it.

    At least have the guts to own it.



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No - because as I've said 1,000x; the point was the legitimate relationship between big money, status, charity, self-promotion, and public relations. Even if I raised no celebrity name, that point is a legitimate and valid point.

    We have moved on from this many times, yet this gets raised many times over. I'm not responsible for your misinterpretation of my remarks. Better for you to go back and re-read what I actually said rather than displace my words for the purposes of tarring my reputation on this thread.

    We were discussing Hari and his resignation from GB News, so why raise Jimmy Saville into this discussion?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,634 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    You will never be allowed forget that you compared Rashford to Saville. It was one of the most disgusting insinuations I have seen on Boards and worst of all you didn't just say it you doubled down and defended it for ages



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The discussion has moved on to Hari and GB News, amongst other discussions, and so I'd rather not focus on Jimmy Saville to be perfectly honest with you.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,524 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    One wonders why you brought him up in the first place, frankly.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,634 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Well you don't get to decide what is on topic here. Maybe apologise for the horrible things you said about Rashford and we will stop bringing it up.

    As things stand it is relevant because it shows you will say any sort of horrible rubbish to attack someone you don't like



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have never once called Marcus Rashford a paedophile, and never would. That's what you're trying to paint me as having said, and I never said it - and I never would. But as I say, no amount of evidence I produce will change your mind. Not one single post that I've produced has made that ridiculous claim, not one.

    So, we'll have to simply just put it down as an amicable disagreement.

    Now, in terms of GB News, Nigel Farage is back tonight at 7pm. Statistics from the Express show that viewing figures last week were not as high as we would like, that's for sure. But we'll see how this week's show shapes up. He recently tweeted about the upcoming migratory wave from Afghanistan, so I assume that the latest announcement from the UK, that passport-less migrants will be allowed into the UK, will feature heavily on tonight's show.




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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,524 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    HM Government doing the right thing for once. Must be that time of the decade again.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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