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The 2021 All Ireland Senior Football Championship

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    No it's not! McStay was saying it was shoulder to shoulder, that's a legitimate part of the game. McStay was wrong as the video shows, was not shoulder to shoulder. It was straight to the jaw. A cowardly, disgusting act by Small. There are no excuses for it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭French Toast


    Rewatching today, Tommy Conroy kicked 2 or 3 monster scores, especially one in the first few minutes of extra time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,016 ✭✭✭jackboy


    McStay saw from the replay that it was not shoulder to shoulder and he doubled down. There has been countless incidents like this over the years that have been justified by RTE commentators. Joe Brolly is always on about assaults from the past and how he admires the players for doing those things.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,839 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    Yes they choked / first time in years to do this - give them a break



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    McStay was going out of his was to try not to show bias. He even mentioned this on commentary. He shouldn't have been on duty yesterday.

    Nothing excuses the appalling assault by Small. He lines him up and goes for his jaw. A really cowardly thing to do with McLoughlin wide open. I think we all agree that a lengthy ban should be forthcoming?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    The Mayo crowd got to them. Having a large vocal support can make a big difference.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,549 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    The GAA's disciplinary system needs a total overhaul. Too many incidents like yesterday that deserve red cards are swept under the carpet and not talked about again. Small should receive a ban but I doubt there will be anything done.

    And too many deserved reds rescinded for absolutely no reason, especially from All Ireland semi finals. It seems like you can do whatever you want in a semi final and you'll be cleared to play the final because "shur wouldn't it be terrible to miss an All Ireland final".

    This has been going on for the best part of the last 20 years. The Battle of Omagh in 2005 made the 1996 final brawl look like a bit of handbags, yet not a single player was suspended. And there doesn't seem to be any appetite in the GAA to change it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 733 ✭✭✭gigantic09


    Sorry to hear about your misfortune, maybe get a corporate box for yourself next time to avoid any contact with us yahoo's.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 647 ✭✭✭eddie73


    Congrats mayo. The ultimate championship team which has everything. Drama, talent, tragedy, bravery. I hope you win this year, but will be awfully difficult to beat Kerry. I'm sorry tyrone, this is a bridge too far for you and kerry are going to get to the final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 647 ✭✭✭eddie73


    Absolutely dreadful tackle. looked worse in real time. I can't understand how this sort of thing is allowed to happen and if you simulate a kick or flap and miss with an open palm, you get automatically sent off. The linesman and ref need to reflect on their decision making. someone will get killed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,839 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    You must be enjoying taking a break from the dubs dominance thread !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,863 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    It is an interesting factor. Dublin in effect play at home and that advantage is compounded when the stadium is full. Little things like Dublin having the right to come out and warm up at the hill end (thinking back to mayo going down that end a few years ago). It is the little things that generate a home advantage. I wouldnt suggest these games not be in Dublin, but Dublin should get zero rights to anything not afforded to the other team.

    😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    I enjoyed Dublin losing for the reasons given in that thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    It does make a big difference. It's called home advantage for a reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭PressRun


    I appreciate that a ref isn't going to see everything in real time. That said, McLoughlin was prone on the ground and very clearly seriously injured (double fracture in the jaw and lost teeth is the word on it). That Lane waved play on and allowed the game to continue is completely negligent and just plain terrible refereeing. Player welfare was disregarded in that moment, and furthermore, if Dublin had scored a goal from that play, what then? Could have totally impacted the outcome of the match.

    It needs to be looked at and Lane shouldn't be let anywhere near a major intercounty match again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,518 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I think they need to look at playing extra time as a separate game almost with cards issued in normal time being revoked. At least one player escaped a red as a result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,301 ✭✭✭doc_17


    The folly of dropping Mannion came back to bite Dublin. 3 All Stars in a row and Dessie Farrell thinks he’s not good enough so puts him on the bench causing him to walk away.

    Yes, Mayo played well from the 55th minute. But they were so bad up to that that even a 6/10 Dublin performance should have had them bate out the gate.

    As for why there should have been a retake of the 45, well, the referee got everything else wrong in the 2nd half so it would be no surprise to see him mess that up too.

    Lane will be back. Decent referee. Game just got away from him and he didn’t have the bottle to make the big calls against Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    Agreed.

    Personally, I dont think small went to hit him in the face, I think he went to smash him, which is fair enough, but it came off badly and should have been a free and a yellow.

    The issue for me is the mccarthy elbow. Deliberate, clearly caught on camera bang to rights. Just like mcmahons eye gouge a few years back. Those things need to be punished severely, with frivilous appeals dealt with ruthlessly and zero room for counties to be going down this sh*thousery root of the courts etc. Letting them go is why the game can get so nasty at times.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,741 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Couldn't understand that yesterday.. what's the logic in resetting cards?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,741 ✭✭✭threeball


    Not only letting them go but overruling officials after the game as just happened in the hurling. Players are too big, fast and cynical not to just run with the psuedo discipline that exists in GAA now. There are no consequences for cowardly hits like Smalls or Mccarthys yesterday. McMahon ran on, deliberately obstructed a free which wasn't punished by bringing it forward and on the kickout he started pinching players. All there on camera, years of form but nothing will be done.

    Its a massive problem in both codes and we really need citings or retrospective punishment for these gutless cowardly acts that generally escalate into melees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,741 ✭✭✭threeball


    Officially according to the rulebook its a new game which is complete bunkum. If you dig a lad in the 73rd min, get away with a yellow you can dig him again in the 2nd minute of extra time with a fair degree of certainty youll escape again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 655 ✭✭✭Treble double


    Yes I think Small went to bury McLoughlin, but I don't think he intentionally targeted his head, yellow card and free kick. Need to be careful not to take the physicality out of the game, it's a hard enough watch if you get rid of the legitimate hits it will be unwatchable. A well timed shoulder is a great skill. The off the ball stuff should be clamped down on, video evidence should be used and offenders hung out to dry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,741 ✭✭✭threeball


    He may not have went for the head but he definitely went to do him with a shoulder to the chest which itself is very dangerous. I've seen a couple of players who couldn't breathe after breaking ribs when hit like that. Its cowardly stuff and needs to be stamped out at the time or retrospectively.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,142 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Really strange game last night.

    Not sorry to see Dublin lose finally, but I'm no Mayo fan either. The standard of the game was poor over all. Dublin got 45 + minutes to themselves and did SFA with it, really lax and should have been out of sight.

    For all the credit Horan is getting for making the changes in the second half, he set mayo up terribly initially, and should have been beaten out the gate except for whatever problems Dublin had on the day. Mayo moved the ball slowly, defended very passively, and their main attacking ploy was to horse straight long balls into Aiden looking for goals. It was crazy, Aiden was shocking bad under the high ball and in general play too, and w as lucky to stay in the field as long as he did, should have been hooked earlier.

    They had no choice in the last quarter really but to up the ante, and when they did they blew Dublin away, if they had the balls to play their normal running game they would have the game won easily. It's been called bravery, in truth it was desperation.

    Mayo deserved the win, but they don't deserve great praise - it was probably one of their worse performances against Dublin in the last 10 years to be honest - the fact that Dublin were sh1te on the day shouldn't hide that.

    The wheels came off quickly for Dublin, bad noises coming from the camp all year and hugely ill disciplined yesterday. Shocking decisions on the ball, and got involved in sh1te off the ball with the Mayo lads instead of just finishing out ghe game from a winning position.

    Lane wasn't great in the whistle, but neither team were that interested in playing ball at times. Both sides are well versed in the dark arts, and he'd have needed eyes in the back of his head. The Small hit on McLoughlin, I'd have sympathy for Lane on this one - it was a big hit, a sickener, a reducer from Small, but the his was more or less shoulder to shoulder, excessive force certainly and probably a yellow card, but caused by a hospital pass to a stationary player, and didn't straight and frontal in real time, in fact Duirmuid O'Connor hit a straight frontal charge later but didn't connect as well, but not for want of trying. Hopefully young McLoughlin is OK though, wouldn't want to see any lad hurt badly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,766 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    That’s quite some mental gymnastics right there...If Dublin warm up in front of their own fans, at the hill, the opposition warm up in front of theirs so how is that ‘an advantage’... ? Dublin are afforded the exact same..as their opposition. Also ‘ warming up ‘ won’t win you a game. Teams warm up in front of their own fans up and down the country.

    the advantage Mayo had was Conor Lane... who exuded the worst refereeing performance seen in an All Ireland semi final or match of similar magnitude ... levels of incompetence never before seen on behalf of an official on All Ireland semi final day or any other crucial championship match... that’s the ultimate advantage.... talk about population, facilities etc... but if the man in black is determined to do all he can to compromise your ability to win, you simply are screwed...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,840 ✭✭✭HBC08


    You're the angriest man on boards.

    You go to bed angry and wake up angry.

    I'm delighted for ya.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,766 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Not angry at all old bean... I’ve more reasons to be cheerful this year than most... that result aside and the manner of its ‘achievement’ obviously 😊 ....strange though that you wish in a thread about football wish to make personal comments as opposed to actually discuss the football.. not very, hmmmm



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,741 ✭✭✭threeball




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