havent watched the last season but already spoiled

Sunny_Arms wrote: »

Do you still watch stuff even if you know some things that happened in the last season?
I blame facebook for getting me spoiled. and also youtube.

now i cant bring myself to watch the last season because i know somethings that are gonna happen.

also i was told that it's dark?? like even if the brightness of the device is up, still cant see details of the scene.

you're about 2 years too late

If I'd watched all 7 seasons, yes I'd watch s8 - even now.

You may as well and be disappointed like the rest of us.

The first two episodes of S8 are fairly okay but from Ep3 onwards they get progressively worse, the last two episodes were actually offensively bad and more or less represent the showrunners taking a huge steaming dump on the legacy of the show.

They are not the first people to do it and won't be the last, but it's shocking that it was allowed happen to the most prolific TV show in the world.

Seasons 1 to 4 are utterly sensational, and there's plenty of good in S5 and S6 as well.....S7 less so, that's when it started to go wrong, but it's still not bad. The problem is I could never bring myself to ever watch it again, or even recommend it, knowing where it ends up in S8.

Countless hours of rich, layered exposition, lore and narrative.....most of which utterly leads nowhere, or to nothing meaningful. Just a braindead CGI filled short-cut finale season that condenses about 20 episodes worth of content into a few episodes and neuters most of the characters to unrecognizable levels.

So honestly, if you already know the spoilers, I wouldn't even bother. Usually I believe in the "it's the journey as much as the conclusion" but in the case of S8, the journey to the conclusion (which is fine on paper) is utterly terrible.

For me, the last few seasons were a case of style over substance. I mean I was reading the books as they came out from book 2 I think (It's been so long). And, c'mon, let's be brutally honest here, the books are enjoyable (In a misery sort of way) but they are not exactly Shakespeare. There were some fantastic scenes (ANYTHING with Diana Rigg) but yeah, it became more about stylish outfits and cool setpieces and lack of risk-taking.

However, that's as a reader. What is the verdict of non-readers? Did they feel just as let down by the last couple of seasons?

Well, it's not that they are more brutal (Certainly the earlier season of the show had their moments) but it's just that they are not exactly a barrel of laughs.

Plus, obviously the series is finished but the books are SO far back, that might put you off. Current position of books. Spoilers. Seriously. Don't look if you don't want to know

Plus, there is bugger all chance that he will finish the books so I don't know if it is worth your while if you haven't started. But that's another thread.

Nah, I was just curious what non-readers thought as, obviously most readers thought the last seasons were rushed and style-over-substance and all the grittiness and complexity of characters was lost.

Ohhhhh no... Nonononono.

Nononononononono.

No, Martin has stated that there are two books left to write. However, given the amount of ongoing storylines (Many not included in the series), and their current position, two books may not be enough. And below is the publishing dates:

A Game of Thrones (1996)

A Clash of Kings (1998)

A Storm of Swords (2000)

A Feast for Crows (2005)

A Dance with Dragons (2011)

See a pattern?

No, the series went to the end. The books have not caught up to the series. They will go in the same general direction as the series and will end in pretty much the same way. However there are a couple of pretty major and interesting threads in the books that are now known to be red herrings in that they never made it to the series and had no impact. Without giving anything away, I'm talking about game changer threads. Think of the shocks of Ned Stark going and The Red Wedding. Storylines that started in the latest (Or maybe previous) book that made you think "Wait a minute, this could change EVERYTHING... Oh, no. Not in the series so just forget about it".

I mean, I've voiced my opinion on the author's distain of his paying fans (IMHO of course) and his definite lost interest in the book series in other threads. But the early books are fun in a bleak sort of way: Decent world building, ready to take risks *Although, Fantasy readers will note, many of the shock twists were not as risky as all that. The biggest shock to me was The Red Wedding and not so much that it happened but when it happened. It was always going to happen). But, as they went on, they got mote and more bloated. Needlessly bloated. And it is highly unlikely that they will be finished at all. (The SECOND LAST book has been about 6 months from publication for the last 6 years it seems)

So, tldr: The series covered everything the books will eventually cover. The books will end in a similar state but many interesting arcs are now null-and-void. The early books are pulpy fun but get bloated as they go on and it is unlikely they will be finished (Certainly by the same author).

Great summary in this posts, but I thought Martin and the studio agreed that what happens in the final series might not be what actually happens in the final book(s)?

I'd hope that a lot of the character arcs and little snippets / clues he left here and there would actually come to something then (I could be waiting a while for that to happen though!)