No August is not the start of Autumn

Officially, in Ireland, June, July & August are the summer months.

Some people think differently because they still abide by what they were taught when they 5 years old in a Catholic school (May-July is the catholic church calendar, and based on saint's days and other such nonsense). At the same time they were being fed this nonsense, they were also taught about baby jesus, the tooth fairy, easter bunny and santa claus.

It has never once occurred to these people that they were getting their "summer" holidays in July & August in primary school; June, July & August in secondary school and even June July, August & some/all of September in college. They never questioned why the 5 months of daylights savings are November to March (final month of Autumn, 3 months of Winter and the first month of Spring). And, of course never questioned why August is warmer than May (on average). They will also likely be unaware that the official department of education position on it is that, while May-July is incorrect, it is ok to teach the wrong seasons in a Catholic primary school (but teach the correct seasons in educate together, non-denom schools etc), as students will be taught the correct seasons later when they enter second-level - except, for a reason that only the Department of Education can answer - the seasons of the year don't feature in any subject at second-level, so a considerable number of Irish people go through life with a stupid misconception. Only in Ireland.

because with global warming there'll be no seasons

There's no standardised definition of seasons. Different countries use meteorological, astronomical, climatological or cultural definitions. I'm interested in all four subjects but I use the traditional Irish seasons, with spring starting on February 1st and autumn on August 1st. If that's a bit too "catholic" for some people, well the catholic feasts exist in the first place because they replaced older pagan ones. Blame the druids. Either way, it's nothing to apologise for, nor worth getting the panties in a twist about.

The fact of the matter is, the Irish climate is too variable to base anything around. The conventional meteorological definitions are better suited to continental climates with larger seasonal temperature variations, where winter snows arrive and depart to a reasonably standard schedule. This year I was watching birds collect nesting material in early January. I've often seen trees start to push out new buds without even the decency to wait for the end of December. First cut of the grass could be required anywhere between early February and the end of March.

I've an additional objection to summer starting in June by either meteorological or astronomical definitions. On the Atlantic fringe of Europe it is the month in which we get the "return of the westerlies", sometimes called the European monsoon. The westerly Atlantic airflow often weakens in April and May, only to return in June. A resurgent jet stream dips south and conveys a stream of Atlantic depressions in our direction.

I reckon you're better off just relishing our long daylight hours -- we have sunsets after 9pm from the start of May until mid-August. In my book you should start looking for good weather when the clocks go forward in March, because it's so often a case of "blink and you've missed it". Constant changes of light and shade are one of the most enchanting things about the Irish climate.

If I were to muck with our seasons at all, I'd reduce them to two -- defined by the clock changes and daylight saving hours. Even at that it would be hard, with our climate, to know what to call them -- Wet and Not-So-Wet? Mild and Milder? Salad and Beer?

Sould it not go on how much daytime each month gets.

If it was then the Summer months would be May, June & July

https://www.met.ie/cms/assets/uploads/2021/06/spring21sum.pdf

https://www.met.ie/climate/climate-of-ireland

Hell, here is their fun facts for primary school children (but not to be shown to the Catholics!) https://www.met.ie/cms/assets/uploads/2021/02/YP-Fun-Facts-Meteorological-Seasons.pdf

In my opinion, your previous posts are riddled with misinformation and highlight your lack of education. 😆

You keep mentioning how the seasons are a product of the Irish Catholic Church however you fail to recognise that there are actually 6 seasons in Catholicism not four - Advent, Christmas, Ordinary Time, Lent, Holy Week and Easter. I have never once said the Catholic Church is the official calendar - it most definitely is not.

You also keep interchanging the terms Astrological and Astronomical - they are two different concepts. Astronomy is a science which studies celestial objects, space and the universe. Astrology is a pseudoscience - a collection of beliefs and superstitions based on superstitions.

The summer solstice this year in Ireland was on June 21st - this marked the day with the longest period of Sunlight - hence Midsummer. The summer solstice in Ireland is usually either the 20th or 21st of June.

The winter solstice this year in Ireland will be on December 21st - this will mark the day with the shortest period of Sunlight - hence Midwinter. (again usually 20th or 21st). Midwinter has nothing to do with how "harsh" the weather. It is half way through winter and the date after which we start to get more daylight.

Daylight savings has nothing to do with the weather and it is 'silly' to think it does. 😅 It is based on how much daylight is available on a given particular day (saving daylight). It is the practice of advancing the clocks forward by one hour in the spring so that darkness falls at a later time - thus having more sunglight during summer days. We then revert to Standard Time in Autumn.

Edit: You can discuss the Easter bunny away on another thread if you like, to your hearts content. I hate to break it to you though, its not real 😎

The date given was 21st June. Whats your point?

Friday the 24th is the Christian Church's designated date for Midsummer as it is the feast day of St. John the Baptist. You previously denigrated the teaching of the seasons in school to be the doing of the Catholic Church, then turn around and give the church's date for Midsummer. Priceless 😅

Autumn is my favourite time of year. Those cool August evenings when people start to light the fire as we bid farewell to summer.

But you are the one who brought midsummer's in to it (and then got the date wrong). It is a religious festival, which you are confusing with the summer solstice (as some Irish people do). However, it was always the 24th in Ireland and still celebrated to date by Bonifre night in Cork (and other places) on June 23rd (St John's eve). Ultimately, it is a pretty useless indicator as it does not comply with our calendar (it is not the middle of the month). You can read more about the confusion regarding this date and your confusion regarding the seasons here: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/midsummer-or-quarter-day-1.61129. There is also an excellent article here regarding the prevalence of this historical festival which seems to have almost disappeared these days.

How is this culture cringe? Also, how were they the European seasons at one stage? Ultimately, various tribes of humans around the world all invented their own calendars in prehistoric times. Eventually, with the roman empire, one calendar began to dominate Europe, which was tweaked over the centuries to fit in with religious festivals and to recalibrate it (i.e. Julian to Gregorian etc). In time, the European calendar got adopted globally (either as a replacement of exiting calendars or as alternative to local). I never said Catholicism mandates seasons, nor have I said it is the only place with Catholicism. The only point that refers to the word "catholic" in my previous posts is that, if you attend a Catholic primary school in Ireland you are taught a unique calendar that has Brigid's day as the start of Spring, All saint's day as the start of Winter etc. If you attend primary school in Ireland that is not run by the church (Educate Together/Non denoms etc), you are taught the official seasons (1st March is start of spring).

Can't see any ranting about Catholics (but a lot of confusion/defensiveness at the mere mention of the word). There is a very valid criticism of primary schools run by the Catholic church in relation to the teaching of the wrong seasons. And the result of that teaching, and the confusion it causes, can be witnessed on this thread.

eh? Why do you think the Catholics are evil? I really can't understand your post. Is this another covfefe moment?