Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

So they have to be isolated and medical staff wear PPE but are they treating them for covid or is the patient not showing any symptoms and therefore are just being treated for the original injury or illness that brought them to the hospital? Only when they are being treated for covid should they be counted as a covid patient.

Completely understand that but the rationale that this is some global plan to poison children (is what I’m reading) is totally nonsense.

Ive seen them manipulate government messaging to fit there agenda it’s incredibly misleading.

I disagree to some extent. You don’t see people campaigning and shoving vaccines down your throat, the anti vaxxers are going out of there way to approach the public and try convince them not to get the jab (take my example greystones as one example.)

Some of them are becoming rather aggressive and volatile.

People are free not to get the vaccine if they don't want to. What they're not free to do is endanger other people by not getting the vaccine and enter pubs, restaurants etc.

See this is the argument all the time, if you are vaccinated then what danger is a unvaccinated person putting you in? If they are such a danger then how is that gyms do not require you to have covid pass to workout, i mean you go into a gym you don't wear a mask people are sweating and breathing hard which I am sure is spreading droplets everywhere and it is not restricted to just vaccinated and nor should it be. Also looking a posts that people are putting up to say that there is no difference in spreading the virus between an unvaccinated person and vaccinated person. So again if you are vaccinated and the vaccines are working then you are not in danger, the risk is with the unvaccinated person.

With a pub full of vaccinated people, the disease won't spread nearly as much as it would rip through a pub of unvaccinated people.

If everyone takes the short sighted view of "I won't get vaccinated, cos everyone else will, and I'll be grand", we'd end up with no one vaccinated at all, and covid 19 would still be a massive problem. Everyone needs to play their part.

We want this sh*te to end, and we all want to get on with our lives. If that means leaving unvaccinated people standing outside in the rain, then so be it.

I'm happy that unvaccinated are being excluded. It gives them the motivation to start behaving like responsible adults.

That is an awful attitude to have that you are happy to exclude people from society and that for me is the problem. To have people happy to do this where do you draw the line?

But this has always been the case, there are people who take advantage in every walk of life. Do you want to exclude everyone that takes advantage of different situations or only when it impacts you? Also how is only dangerous for unvaccinated and vaccinated to mix in an indoor dining setting but yet can go into a office and work side by side with no mask 8hours a day?

What percent of those currently in ICU are unvaccinated, partially vaccinated and fully vaccinated? Thanks.

People don’t have to get the vaccine if they don’t want to. No one is forcing them, the big issue came when pubs reopened and a vaccine being required to sit in doors.

This so completely justified in my opinion, if someone decides not to get the vaccine than that is fine, however, they will put others at risk. That’s the problem and it’s backed up by science.

The division in society is not created by government it’s created by people who are opting against immunisation. Each to there own but that’s the decision they have made so they should accept the repercussions ns

That was because ICUs were already dealing with cases from the October peak .

Starting from a lower base in this wave

Most severe cases go straight to ICU if there is a bed available, but in this rise and in October it is a slower burn .

We are seeing patients who have been sick for 5 days or more and slowly getting worse now as in October , pneumonia, clotting problems , renal .

Much fewer than before but a steady trickle.

So before this month anyone unvaccinated and vaccinated had the same rights, they could all do the same things but now unvaccinated are seen as unclean and therefore are being excluded from certain aspects of society, indoor dining and pubs for the moment but could be extended and you are happy with that. How can you be happy with discriminating against people? You can dress it up anyway you like but it is discrimination.

No it's not. I found out that I am asthmatic so if I get covid it could be dangerous for me, I don't know maybe it will maybe it won't but I still don't support this discrimination no matter how much risk I am at, I will do what I need to lessen the risk to me but that's it i still think that everything should be open to everyone without restrictions.

So it’s ok as long as it ensures you feel safer?

You say you took the vaccine cos you wanted to enjoy life yet seem happy to exclude others who might want to do the same, in other words your happy with discrimination because it benefits you!

I agree totally with this , just that we need to be aware that ICU numbers are and will going up over the next month or so as once people are hospitalised with this a certain percentage will end up in ICU .

That metric is less so in this wave as patients are generally younger , mean age 54 , but that is still a high enough risk to severe illness and death once sick enough to be hospitalised, in those not fully vaccinated .

I don't see it being overwhelming , it is very manageable at the moment , but we are not out of the woods yet .

We will have a slow rise with a plateau over the next month / six weeks , in ICU I am talking about . Once admitted there unfortunately it is not easy to say how long any individual will be there and what course their illness will take or how severe. Treatment has improved and is working better and quicker now since this began but every individual is just that , an individual .

That may impinge on other services briefly but hopefully by late September / October the full impact of all the vaccinations will be felt and apart from the odd bump , hoping to get back to something like normal .