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New Alternative News Channel "GB News" chaired by Andrew Neil launching - read OP before posting

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  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    7.8 million?

    The GB News YouTube Channel started 1 month ago, a few days before the TV channel came live.

    By YouTube's own statistics, GB News have accrued almost 12 million direct views so far.

    The same inaccuracies apply to Twitter, incidentally.

    Socialblade is the poor man's statistical calculator. Everyone knows that, except...

    Another failed attempt to undermine the success of GB News, thwarted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,651 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The new followers will be especially worrying as Sky and BBC while have already picked up a large number of its likely subscribers already whereas a new channel should be hoovering up new subscriptions as it is starting from 0. Especially odd seeing as the silent majority are behind GBnews :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,986 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    The Socialblade statistic is from the last 30 days, which would be 24th June to 24th July (today).

    GB news started on 13th June, 11 days before the 30 days accounted in the Socialblade stat.

    Taking averages, 7.8m over 30 days equates to 2.86m over 11 days. 7.8m + 2.86m is 10.66m over 41 days.

    Their youtube channel also posted several videos before airing. Taking those views off the 11.86m total views gives 11.45m views.

    So taking into account that it'd require going through each individual video over the last 30 days to exactly determine how far Socialblade may be off (as some videos are obviously more popular than others, and they likely had a bigger bump at the start), even a cursory glance and a quick extrapolation of the data gives Youtube views since June 13th of 11.45m and Socialblade data giving approx 10.66m.

    So approx. within 10% of Youtube's figures. Not enough to show that the data is in any way wrong enough to disprove the point, especially as the same margin of error is likely attributable to Sky News and BBC News Youtube pages too.



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Aside from Socialblade's inherent inaccuracies, why do you posit 10-12 million views in a month as awful?

    It's the first month of the channel - and it's a large % when compared to mainstream channels which have been around donkey's years.

    More desperation from anti-GB News preachers!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,749 ✭✭✭Dave0301


    Is it a large percentage though?

    BBC News had nearly 4 times as many viewers as GB News, and in terms of YouTube BBC News had nearly 7 times the views.

    Considering you were selling GB News on its YouTube metrics it starts to fall down when you scratch below the surface of your gimmicky catchphrases.

    Could GB News improve from here as it builds up? Sure of course it could. However, it is catering for a niche market and those inclined to subscribe and watch the channel will already be doing so. Difficult to see it appealing to a wider audience given the backlash the channel faced when one of its presenters tried to change the narrative.

    I do admire your vigorous defence of it and Farage, but your refusal to take on board any other opinions undermines your position.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,986 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    You're the one lauding the success of their Youtube stats. I'm simply pointing out that in their first few months as a new channel with more attention about their launch, they are trailing behind their more established competitors, and their youtube views aren't translating to viewers of their actual channel which will be the real determinant as to whether the channel succeeds and becomes sustainable.

    Sky News and BBC News can rely on other parts of their network to compensate low viewing figures on their News channels. GB News can't.



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I could equally apply the rear end of that last sentence to yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,749 ✭✭✭Dave0301


    Absolutely, but it would work a lot better if you actually engaged with the points I made in my post instead of firing out another throwaway deflection.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,945 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    And as has been pointed out to you multiple times , those suggesting that GB News is up against it and that on balance it is unlikely to succeed long term are coming from a base line of objective facts and reality. The facts of their at best mediocre performance thus far during what should be their "honeymoon period" and the over-arching difficultly of running a profitable News channel for anybody anywhere.

    Your viewpoint - Whilst wholly understandable in terms of your desire for it to be successful, is largely based on hopes and wishful thinking.

    The plain unvarnished facts are that GB News is orders of magnitude more likely to fail than it is to succeed - In some small part due to it's focus on and targeting of a small sub-set of the potential audience which is in and of itself extremely limited and in large part due to the fact that TV News Channels are money pits that don't make money for anyone really.



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You talk about objective reality, yet are making predictions with absolute certainty - the very opposite of objectivity.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,945 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    And what exactly do you think you are doing ?

    My statement that GB News is far more likely to fail than succeed is objectively accurate - That would be true for any new standalone News channel regardless of content, political leanings or otherwise.

    It's a really really hard thing to do , which is why it doesn't happen very often.

    GB News could turn out to be a success , but that would make it the exception not the norm.

    Allied to their less than great opening 5 or 6 weeks and the general consensus would be that they are currently trending more toward failure than success, regardless of their Social media exposure.

    It doesn't mean failure is a certainty of course not , but in gambling terms they are very much a long odds outside bet. I certainly wouldn't be putting the house on them being profitable.

    As I've said before - How long they last is entirely a function of how willing the financial backers are to keep funding it, because again the reality is that it will almost certainly never be profitable - Just as Sky News isn't profitable in and of itself , it's losses get covered by the money earned by Sky Sports/Movies etc. - a type of income source not available to GB News.



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What I find astonishing is that you're spending so much of your time begging us to believe it's going to fail any day now. Desperately banging on about how failure is imminent, on the horizon. The channel is doomed! Quick, everyone - let's keep obsessing about how it's failing really, really soon!

    Why not do what everyone else does, and just wait for (what you believe to be) this apparent inevitability?

    If you are so certain, why do you keep banging on about it to an inordinate degree?

    If anything, that level of certainty should really make you think about other matters. But it doesn't, alas.

    If I believed a channel was doomed to failure, I don't think I'd be spending as much time as you on the Internet begging others to believe it's about to fail any second now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,986 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    You're doing, the EXACT same, from the opposing viewpoint.

    But yes, most people here are giving their opinions and projections based on current data. If that data changes, people's opinions and projections should change too. "Wait and see" is absolutely valid, but there's also no harm in "This is what I think will happen".



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not at all.

    I'd rather discuss the actual channel, the programs, the plans, the progress etc. - the pros as well as the cons.

    This dismal, negative doom-laden, "GB News, the world is about to end"-style is not why I'm here.

    But it gets dragged up with such depressing regularity that someone has to, at some stage, counter it - and counter it I have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,916 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    But you don't discuss the channel, you discuss youtube, twitter, Facebook etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    What exactly do you believe you have countered? The terrible viewing numbers are recorded fact, they have no other means to sustain themselves, despite your attempts to deflect and obfuscate this hasn't changed.



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm responding to the negative mountain of posts.

    Yet the same stuff gets dragged up over and over and over again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,986 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    People are perfectly entitled to discuss the status of the channel as a whole, particularly as this is the Current Affairs forum rather than the Television forum, which may be more suited to discussion of the contents of the programming itself.

    And I'm sorry, but you really haven't countered anything. Even our earlier discussion about the Youtube/Twitter numbers, you called into question using Socialblade as a source, then when I pointed out the numbers were still within a reasonable margin of error and didn't change the point I was making...

    "More desperation from anti-GB News preachers!"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    I applaud GB News for showing coherence with regards to the BLM kneeling

    The kneeling at sports events get booed each and every time, people arent going to have it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    That's quite impressive actually, for such a small channel that according to board experts was meant to shut down 2 weeks ago



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,916 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Gets booed by a tiny minority of low IQ idiots, so basically the type of Neanderthals that GB "news" appeals to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,916 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 386 ✭✭Gentlemanne


    Yeah imagine spending so much of your time begging people to believe in the success or lack thereof of a TV channel. The only thing that is Astonishing here is your lack of self awareness



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Coherence? The people who claim to be the champions of free speech and free expression "won't have it" when others dare to express themselves in ways they don't like.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,544 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    They haven't. They're pro-free speech except in cases of thoughtcrime.

    As for the taking of the knee, people are thankfully having it because it's important despite what the racist cultural chaff think.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    I have to admit, I read you wrong. I had assumed that you were no different from the others who pop up here who follow those types.

    I still think you're wrong about GBN but I won't write you off as the typical gullible soul who falls for the kind of nonsense that you describe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,651 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Yeah but only by those who would prefer that their black players don't get racist abuse.

    Have you not considered what an affront this is to the sorts of people who enjoy hurling racist abuse and bananas at black people?



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They are a tiny minority, which is why we shouldn't take the knee.

    Western countries are not overwhelmingly racist countries. Perhaps if they were, political gestures - such as taking the knee - would be justified.

    But taking the knee signifies that Western countries are inherently racist to the core, and I reject that implication.

    Very few people actively support discriminating against black people on the basis of race. But that minority will always exist, no matter how many knees bend. But what people are actively repulsed by, is this suggestion that the most tolerant countries in the world, when it comes to race, are also those with the greatest problems with race. And that is associated with all the corollary actions we've seen in recent years, such as taking down statues and the promotion of the ludicrous idea to "defund the police".

    Taking the knee means tacitly supporting the above.

    It's virtue signalling. I actually dislike that term, because I believe it's massively overused. But in this context, it's true - it's used by people to signal to others, in a public manner, how more perfect they are compared to the rest of us.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,916 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    So you are against freedom of expression? A 3 second gesture that brings no harm to anyone involved including the spectators that decided to boo this expression?


    You agree that a man should get sacked, lose his job, become a victim of abuse from low I.Q Neanderthals because he chose to express himself in a way that you personally don't like even though it has no bearing on your life in any way shape or form?



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