We landed on Mars... again? [Mod note post #1]

Because there is no will to spend the money to do so.

I don't understand the point being made here. A company with huge resources has spent a long time testing and creating a craft capable of getting to the edge of space and return safely, for the purpose of space tourism. Another company will fly a tourist around the moon in a few years. Landing tourists on the moon is a much larger step, and likewise landing on Mars.

This is what you're claiming though.

Weird that you post this rather than address any point to you.

Why? What are you afraid of in answering some questions directly?

If you can't answer them, why can't you just say that? It's not like doing so will make you look more silly.

Where do you think earth ends and space begins? You are the one defending this ridiculousness. First you say that Branson went to 80,000Km which you said that some claim is "edge of space". So you are saying he did not go to space then? Which is in contradiction to NASA and the opinion of countless space scientists?

Reminder, you have claimed that all space missions are faked.

You also are a flat earther by all indications.

Why is what we're saying so ridiculous?

If its ridiculous, why do you have to keep dodging every point and question put to you?

We're able to address your ridiculous claims directly and concisely. And your claims are very ridiculous indeed.

Deflection tactic because he can't admit that he can't answer any of the questions and he's not allowed to question his own beliefs.

The issue is that NASA uses a different definition of when "space" starts to what the FAI and others use.

That NASA and the ESA need to agree where space start.

The NSA should be able to help out with this.

With this analogy you are implying that gravity acts in a direction tangential to the circumference of the earth, which everyone knows is not true. But you place your faith in false science in order to explain indefensible, and quite laughable fabrications of "space travel". It doesn't matter how fast you travel, gravity will always act in a direction towards the centre of the earth, hence gravity should be the same no matter how fast you are travelling.

You do realise you can temporarily simulate no gravity in a plane correct?

Again, why are you constantly ignoring any questions about your theories or views after claiming you were happy to answer questions?

And again, you're demonstrating that you don't actually know what you're talking about.

What is "real science" according to you?

Why are you still ignoring questions?

Why do you think ignoring questions is helping you?

Do you not realise that everyone can see that's what you're doing and it's very obvious why you are doing it?

I'm bit confused now.

If you now suddenly understand how parabolic flights can cause weighlessness, what was your issue with Branson's flight?

Earlier you were arguing that it must of have been fake because it wasn't possible to have weighlessness like that.

Now you're claiming that all space missions are faked like that? That doesn't make sense.

Again, this demonstrates exactly why you aren't willing to answer any questions. You know that if you do, the contradictions in your position would become obvious and it will lead to more embarrassments like this. So you avoid answering questions so that you don't trip yourself up.

This is dishonest, but par for the course for conspiracy theories and anti science beliefs.

Why do you think this is fooling anyone though.

Do you think anyone is actually dumb enough to believe your running and hiding from points is convincing?

Didn't change anything, I never wrote that Branson wasn't experiencing weightlessness. Might want to reread other people's posts more carefully. I wrote that hyperbolic flight can generate weightlessness for periods of time (usually 20 to 30 seconds). After I wrote that you seem to think that is backs your claim that "all space footage is simulated". Okay, how is that achieved? demonstrate with evidence

Also to repeat the earlier questions

1. Why?
2. How do they fake 24 hours continual weightlessness in e.g. the ISS?
3. Do you believe the earth is not a globe?

You keep laughing at people for not using terms correctly, yet you keep misusing them yourself.

You still don't seem to understand how gravity, freefall and orbits work either.

And this is all in addition to your constant dodging of questions you can't answer.

You're showing yourself up as a very dishonest person.

You know this as you won't even attempt to justify why you are ignoring questions.

Anyway, to address your latest contradictory claims and to clear up the misunderstanding you have.

Yes, Branson went to space. He passed the Karman line in a parabolic, sub orbital flight.

Do you dispute this happened?

He experienced weightlessness because he was in free fall for a short time.

This is not different from how people on the ISS and in other space missions experience "zero g". It's only different in that when something is in orbit its free falling for a long time.

Technically there's no such thing as "zero gravity" as it's a force that is felt all through the universe.

Do you dispute this? Do you not understand this?

Again this is not something the media or Branson ever lied about. The issue is that either you don't understand basic science or you're being deliberately obtuse to satisfy your bizarre beliefs.

We're still not even sure what those beliefs are because your too afraid and ashamed to actually lay them out in a clear and concise way.

My money is still on you being a flat earther. All of your arguments are straight out of their play book.

Wow, even the cracks are showing in this thread.

So is Bezos going to cross it or not? I don't see how they can just tickle these imaginary lines. Branson claims to spend 40seconds in zero-gravity and now Bezos is going "as far as the karman line".

You would think they would go an extra few millimeters so as not to create such ambiguity 😆

It is not a crack at all. It is quite clear how high Branson got and what altitude bezos is aiming at. It has been stated several times previously in the thread. Somebody just got it wrong and i corrected them. At least they attempted to post something they believed was true. that is something you have been too afraid to attempt so far.

And it's not as if it's just this thread he is doing it on.

At an altitude of 100km, gravity is almost the same as on Earth. They are experiencing zero-g because their respective crafts start to slow down, thus inducing the several minutes of weightlessness

Explained here (at 3:28)

In my experience many of these people aren't trolls, they really believe this stuff

Are you a space fan too, yes? There are so many space fans in the conspiracy forum that people don't seem to realise that it isn't "Astronomy, Space & Astrophotography" forum

Unfortunately for you, bashing the ridiculousness of "space travel" is allowed here, much to the chagrin of all the space fans that seem to frequent these threads. Must be because 99% of space anything is horrifically boring!

However, I have to admit that this Branson, Bezos, Musk war is giving me a good laugh, how people believe they are going to space is beyond me.😆

I sit here with tears streaming down my face. In the space of one fortnight I have witnessed, not zero, not one but two, yes you heard it, two monumental events in human history. In 100 years time people will not be discussing the moon landing, or the Mars rovers reaching Mars. No, they will be discussing the two most important events in space flight history - the Space flight of Branson and the space flight of Bezos. What a coincidence they both happened within two weeks.

I think it's truly amazon what Bezos has achieved today. From the moment he set foot inside the Rivian Electric Standard Utility Vehicle with it's 300+ mile range, 14 inches of ground clearance, it's 3 second 0-60MPH and carbon fibre frame, I knew he was destined for greatness.

As expected, everything was nominal from start to finish. We saw Bezos exceed Branson's achievement last week by both reaching that magical boundary where we go from having full gravity to absolutely no gravity at all at around 220,000 feet, and also passing out the Karman line to rapturous applause from all involved.

It truly was a magical experience. I can't wait for them to show us the retrospective footage from inside the capsule, which for some reason they didn't show live. I will expect to see our, now newly crowned, astronauts floating around without a care in the world just like Branson did last week.

I hope you all managed to watch it live like I did. It was worth taking the day off work like most people in the country did. Why not for such a monumentous occasion?

Link here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYsol0Uzv8g&ab_channel=TheTelegraph

Would it be OK with you if I don't hold my breath for this one?

give it half an hour just in case.