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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #8672
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Stheno wrote: »
    The vaccines are creating the variants?

    The virus evolves.

    Studies on bacteria in penicillin environments create identical results.
    The bacteria can not multiply and spread in tough penicillin environments until a variant is produced which can.

    Evolution.


  • #8673
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    I'd just like to quote this.

    Vaccinate everybody, and then lockdown fully for 8 weeks.

    Amazing.

    I am not recommending it but the double whammy of vaccines with one last lockdown would bring cases towards zero.

    It's not a practical solution as people have just had enough.
    I'm well aware of that.


  • #8674
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    One last lockdown lads.

    Actually excited for it


  • #8675
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Stheno wrote: »
    The vaccines are creating the variants?

    Let me just be clear.

    A changing environment can create variants.

    I'm certainly not anti Vax
    Don't be a moron and go out and get yourself vaccinated to protect you and the rest of society.

    The Spanish flu of 100 years ago produced many variants ... one of which was particularly lethal to younger people in their 20s and 30s.


  • #8676
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    I am not recommending it but the double whammy of vaccines with one last lockdown would bring cases towards zero.

    It's not a practical solution as people have just had enough.
    I'm well aware of that.

    The end of this is not zero cases, it’s reduced adverse outcomes due to pre existing immunity from previous infection/ vaccination. Variants will continue to emerge but evolution does not jump straight to a completely different infection mechanism. Pre existing immunity will mitigate most of the adverse events just like all the other coronaviruses that are endemic


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  • #8677
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    8pm figure release yet? Not sure where to look


  • #8678
    Messi19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Messi19


    The day Holohan isn't concerned is the day I'm concerned about Holohan


  • #8679
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    Let me just be clear.

    A changing environment can create variants.

    I'm certainly not anti Vax
    Don't be a moron and go out and get yourself vaccinated to protect you and the rest of society.

    The Spanish flu of 100 years ago produced many variants ... one of which was particularly lethal to younger people in their 20s and 30s.


    I get your point but what of a vaccine dodging variant coming from abroad after we have fully vaxed and shut down? Variants will continue to evolve in countries where there are many cases and a poor vaccination programme. The end is hopefully a harmless very infectious variant?


  • #8680
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    Holohan must be trolling at this point.

    Today's figures are very good considering the expected and much talked about surge.


  • #8681
    Marty Bird
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    Concerning…. Would they ever Fcuk off with that, how many are admitted with respiratory symptoms? Or is it just testing positive before a procedure?

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



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  • #8682
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    Holohan must be trolling at this point.

    Today's figures are very good considering the expected and much talked about surge.
    16 months in, do folks still need reminding that one day does not mark a trend, in any direction


  • #8683
    Unthought Known
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Unthought Known


    Edz87 wrote: »
    One last lockdown lads.

    Actually excited for it

    #ForUsAll


  • #8684
    TefalBrain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 706 ✭✭✭TefalBrain


    Nobody listens to Holohan anymore except the doom lovers.


  • #8685
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    TefalBrain wrote: »
    Nobody listens to Holohan anymore except the doom lovers.

    It would be interesting to compare the posters who constantly talk about what holohan says to those who rarely ever mention him apart from when mentioned by others


  • #8686
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    saabsaab wrote: »
    I get your point but what of a vaccine dodging variant coming from abroad after we have fully vaxed and shut down? Variants will continue to evolve in countries where there are many cases and a poor vaccination programme. The end is hopefully a harmless very infectious variant?

    yes imagine the original strain was like a horde of poisonous spiders running amok biting millions and killing many. Well the spiders proliferate each time but they develop smaller fangs until they've evolved to be everywhere , everyday but they have no fangs . For those that survive the venom, they are now quite immune and to what degree, time will tell. Variants get less severe each time apparently so who cares where they are and who they hang onto and to what degree.


  • #8687
    jhegarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,131 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    8pm figure release yet? Not sure where to look

    54 in hospital


  • #8688
    fun loving criminal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    jhegarty wrote: »
    54 in hospital

    Is there any more news on the increase in hospital?

    They should really tell us more information, how old are they, wether they've been vaccinated or not.


  • #8689
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    fun loving criminal wrote: »
    Is there any more news on the increase in hospital?

    They should really tell us more information, how old are they, wether they've been vaccinated or not.

    And possibly derail the fear train? I don't think so, the CMO is dead set on getting himself some sort of statue. Having the in interest of the public at heart I don't so, more like his own interest first.


  • #8690
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    And possibly derail the fear train? I don't think so, the CMO is dead set on getting himself some sort of statue. Having the in interest of the public at heart I don't so, more like his own interest first.

    Yeah they’re private medical history should definitely be made public so that idiots can use it downplay the severity of the problem on internet message boards :rolleyes:


  • #8691
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Hello… anybody out there? Or did we all die of covid in the last 8 days??



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  • #8692
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,507 ✭✭✭harr


    397 cases .. 16 icu and 54 in hospital last posted numbers before site went down ( 8 days )

    currently at 783 cases , 73 in hospital and 20 in icu.

    A good bit of a jump but numbers seem to now firmly in the most part in the lower age cohort or those less likely to be fully vaccinated. Interesting to see how opening up restaurants and bars now affect the numbers.



  • #8693
    gral6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭gral6


    Nphet were deeply concerned yesturday!



  • #8694
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭prunudo


    On one hand, boards was a saviour throughout the last 17 months, a place to find varying views, broader information and gave me an ability to make up my own mind about coronavirus rather than the fear the msm dished out.

    On the other hand, the outage the last 8 days has got me thinking, how different would the pandemic have been without social media. Once you don't engage with the radio or tv news, you don't get the 24/7 covid coverage. Personally speaking, having a week away from constantly checking the latest info, whether that be cases, vaccine numbers or how other countries are doing, has been good for my head space.

    Saying that not denying I missed checked other threads that i frequent, especially when at a loose end, like waiting in a queue or trying to kill 5 minutes.


    Hope to see many of the regular contributors back here as we continue our way out of this awful period. (Both covid and outage 😂 )



  • #8695
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,629 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117611405#Comment_117611405

    Yes but look at hospital and ICU. Very little movement for such a spike in numbers



  • #8696
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117611527#Comment_117611527

    But Nolan did note that it is the start of their most pessimistic projections. It may be the case and may go that way or it may be an attempt to justify their claims. As we near 60% fully vaccinated and well over 70% with one shot that concern about hospitalisations should wane.



  • #8697
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117611121#Comment_117611121

    The truth is somewhere in between these preposterous extremes. The severity of the problem really has passed yet they have not shown themselves able to adjust how they deliver the message.



  • #8698
    eviltimeban
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,137 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    Plus now they are saying Delta symptoms include "sore throat, runny nose, and a headache".

    I mean, is that really severe enough to warrant such "concern" and daily updates etc? Sure, some people could get it worse, but they could also be worse affected by a common cold, or flu, or a stomach bug.

    It was different when it was a bad cough that went on for a week, where people had difficulty breathing. You don't hear those sorts of stories now with this variant.



  • #8699
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A week or two back, some posters were trying to justify delaying indoor hospitality saying we just needed a few more weeks to get some more vaccinated before a return to normality. Just a few more weeks.

    Now we are saying that indoor hospitality won't be back for unvaccinated until who knows when. Leo admitted that nightclubs won't be back open for "quite some time". If nightclubs can't open, we can forget about gigs or any sort of entertainment.

    It sounds to me like 2021 is pretty much a write off for Ireland. A lot of people I know are now looking at England for a holiday.



  • #8700
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117612135#Comment_117612135

    NHPET still see a direct link between cases and hospitalisations and assume that they will lead to a big surge in hospital admissions. It would also be remiss of them not to warn, as it is their job. How seriously we should now take that, given the months of steady case numbers but declines in hospital cases is the question.



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  • #8701
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117612135#Comment_117612135

    They're not highlighting these symptoms because they're concerning, but because they have not been traditionally associated with covid. The classic symptoms have been cough, fever, loss of smell/taste, & fatigue. If you didn't have any of these you might not be offered a test, and many people would assume it's not covid. Now they're just flagging other symptoms that have become more common with Delta.

    Not sure about the messaging on it. It's still hay fever season. Sore throat, runny nose, headache. Rampant at the moment.

    https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117611527#Comment_117611527

    It's all about proportion. ICU numbers are up 43% in two weeks. Hospital admissions are up 10% week-on-week, the number of people actually in hospital with covid is up 65% in two weeks.

    The actual numbers are small now, but it doesn't count as "very little movement" by any measure. The UK had small hospital numbers while their cases started spiking, and now their hospital numbers are running away.



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