The Cranberries: the appreciation (and reconciliation) thread

icarus86 wrote: »

Do only rock and roll acts fit your criteria?

I think she has a far bigger audience around the world than at home. She is massive. Did the theme from one of the lotr films if I remember correctly.

Of course not. I have not denied her importance, I have only pointed out a reality. Enya is not Rock N Roll.

Nor can you deny me that in recent years Enya suffers from a psychological disorder much more serious than the bipolarity that Dolores suffered, and that disorder has prevented Enya from making music good in these last 15 years, and everything indicates that it will prevent her from making music forever.

Piehead wrote: »

Ronan O’Gara

First time I listen to this name

FR85 wrote: »

If that's your reply fair enough, you asked a question and it was answered.

If you want another one, Shane McGowan and The Pogues(feat. Kirsty McColl) for Fairytale of New York, known the world over, very successful and continually played over Christmas.....every Christmas and Shane was a major influence on many writers.

Dolores O'Riordan is the greatest female lead singer of alternative music, in all its history. This is not said by me, Billboard says it.

If you look for Dolores's biography you will find close to 500 references, which is not the case with many artists. It only happens with artists like her, David Bowie, Bono himself, Kurt Cobain, etc. Artists who have left an indelible mark around the world.

I don't know if in Ireland you still don't know the global significance that Dolores had around the world, even in China thanks to the artist Faye Wong

FR85 wrote: »

I didn't actually see the documentary but I'll have a search for it.

I am in no way trying to take away from DOL's legacy, she was taken far too young and left children behind and the guys had just come off a very successful run and there was more to come.
What herself and The Cranberries did was superb and they were and still are very successful, no one can deny that but did she steal the 90's, no. I think Ray Houghtan did that in Stuttgart!! 😂😂😂

The Cranberries were at the same level than Stone Temple Pilots, RHCP, Green Day or The Smashing Pumpkins.

A band fronted by a woman, in fact the only band whose beginnings were the dreampop/shoegaze and jangle. This band were bigger than Alice In Chains, Soundgarden and all the Britpop bands (ay least out the UK).

I think is correct to say The Cranberries is a trascendetal 90s band, In fact one of the biggest 90s band alongside Nirvana, RHCP and Pearl Jam.

FR85 wrote: »

No, they are two totally seperate acts who do what they do extremely well so on that we are agreed.

In another 10 years The Cranberries will continue to be recognized as one of the 50 best bands in history, because in fact they are. Instead The Pogues will only be appreciated by some nostalgic Irish, remembering that Christmas song that is now banned by the arrival of Islam.

FR85 wrote: »

If you take her vocals out of it then I feel you should give Noel Hogan 50% of the credits, a lot of the material was co-wrote by him and the man is a musical genius. I also think Fergal was a very influential drummer, there were very few drummers in Ireland in my view who could have ticked the box in the way he did, he sat right into it perfectly, he was a powerhouse who drove on their live shows.
I'm in no way taking away from her vocal ability and her presence on stage by saying the above.

I appreciate these words, I particularly think that The Cranberries alternated bright lyrics with bad ones. I'm a fan but I'm not blind or deaf, I know The Cranberries weren't perfect.
Although for me it is the band of my life

FR85 wrote: »

Em ok. Rolling Stones, Lynard Skynyrd, Zappa, The Beatles, Elvis, U2.....The Cranberries are up there, not sure where exactly they'd have a footing.
I dont think Islam can really ban a song, whole different debate that I'm not getting into and that is not what your thread is about, let's keep this one about music.

What can I ask is your favourite Cranberries song, for me it would be Wanted off Everyone Else is doing it.....

My Top5 songs for each 90s albums:

Uncertain:
Pathetic Senses
Iosa
Nothing Left At all
Uncertain
Chrome Paint

EEIDISWCW
1 Linger
2 Not Sorry
3 Sunday
4 Liar (B)
5 Waltzing Back

NNTA
1 Yeats Grave
2 Ridiculous Thougths
3 Empty
4 So Cold In Ireland (B)
5 I Don't Need (B)

TTFD
1 Forever Yellow Skies
2 Joe
3 Hollywood
4 The Rebels
5 Cordell

BTH
1 Shattered
2 Promises
3 Desperate Andy
4 Loud And Clear
5 Delilah

FR85 wrote: »

Surprised not to see Zombie in there off NNTA, Just My Imagination off BTH along Salvation and Free to Decide off TTFD, these were always favourites at live shows. They would be up there on my list

I love the ending solo of Zombie, but the song is not even In my Top50 of the band. Despite this is the song that I discovered tha band when I were a child.

Just My Imagination is another huge song on the Spanish radios. Boring and pop song, when I was 10 or 12 years old I loved Just My Imagination, but musical tastes change. One of my least favourite songs.

Free To Decide has another brilliant ending solo, but the song is really boring to me, as When You're Gone.

And Salvation... This is one of the most controversial songs to me, is the only song that today I hate and maybe tomorrow I will love. Really strange. But I think is a good song, better than Free To Decide and Just My Imagination.

gigantic09 wrote: »

The 2nd one, the one that sold 18 million copies. I think you seriously underestimate the importance of Shane McGowan and the pogues. Their brand of folk punk was hugely popular at live events all over the world. Even when McGowan couldn't string a coherent sentence together they were selling out shows. The 1st 3 Albums they released in the 80's were excellent especially rum sodomy & if I should fall . This fact that you weren't aware of them till 2 years ago is your loss though.

As much as I may have underestimated their importance, or unaware of its influence in the '80s, there is no way The Pogues can measure up to The Cranberries.

The way and depth in which Dolores marked that generation of the 90s, ranging from young people in their 30s to young children (as is my case) is only comparable to the footprint left by bands like Nirvana, Alice In Chains or RHCP, and another huge bands in this time. The Cranberries were at that level.

On the other hand, it is hard for me to think that The Pogues could ever reach the level of The Cure, The Smiths, Dire Straits, Guns N Roses or Metallica, also U2, to give diverse examples of those who dominated that decade.

The fact that until relatively recently I did not know The Pogues is a clear indication of the reality of the world, perhaps in the USA those over 50 know that Christmas song and the vast majority of British and Irish know more songs by The Pogues. But outside of those territories, these artists are totally unknown. While all over the world; Continental Europe, Asia, South America, Australia, etc, The Cranberries is and will continue to be a well-known and recognized band