Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

I presume the card I got at the GP for full vaccination should be suffice too hopefully,

Timmy O Toole wrote: »

I can just photocopy my mates papers ? Better than a digital version for those of us who won't be vaccinated

I would imagine like there will be something built into it like a hologram or similar.

I doubt you photocopy your mates car tax disc and stick it to the windscreen.

Regarding what Winter 2021 will look like ...

Telegraph reporting on newly released papers from the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) in the UK:
- Criticised the UK for not keeping "baseline" restrictions such as face masks and working from home.
- Sage say "it is highly likely that transmission will increase in autumn and winter".
- Sage say stricter restrictions could be needed this autumn and winter, despite promises of an "irreversible" route out of lockdown.
- The healthcare burden of other infections* is also an important consideration.

i.e work-from-home and face masks etc are likely to be reintroduced in the UK in the Autumn/Winter.

*The WSJ are reporting that there has surge in other respiratory viruses in the US as life gets back to normal and peoples immunity is low. Perhaps an early sign of a surge in respiratory cases this Autumn/Winter on top of some covid cases.

Difficult to see how Winter will not have some light restrictions like masks and work-from-home.

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Going to a restaurant will be like going through an airport lol

Check in and check out of each place you visit, big trail left of where you were of an evening, the KGB would dream of it.

HalfAndHalf wrote: »

How am I making up definitions? Or are you one of those that seem to think if you’re vaccinated then you can’t get a Covid anymore!

Maybe research what immunity means, it doesn’t say it means the majority will not get a particular disease, it states it is when a majority have an immunity to a disease. Being immune to something doesn’t mean you can’t catch something, it means your immune system has the requisite antibodies to fight off a disease.

Also, don’t bother replying, you don’t bring anything to the topic, you just attack and throw stupid accusations.

Nice rant

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

And it's neither robust nor non-reproducible for a start.

Tell me then, what was the point of been issued a vaccine card by the GP, what do you use that for then?

JTMan wrote: »

Regarding what Winter 2021 will look like ...

Telegraph reporting on newly released papers from the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) in the UK:
- Criticised the UK for not keeping "baseline" restrictions such as face masks and working from home.
- Sage say "it is highly likely that transmission will increase in autumn and winter".
- Sage say stricter restrictions could be needed this autumn and winter, despite promises of an "irreversible" route out of lockdown.
- The healthcare burden of other infections* is also an important consideration.

i.e work-from-home and face masks etc are likely to be reintroduced in the UK in the Autumn/Winter.

*The WSJ are reporting that there has surge in other respiratory viruses in the US as life gets back to normal and peoples immunity is low. Perhaps an early sign of a surge in respiratory cases this Autumn/Winter on top of some covid cases.

Difficult to see how Winter will not have some light restrictions like masks and work-from-home.

So basically the common cold will be more frequent and we’ll all get the shîts once we stop wearing masks??

The only time I’ve wished I lived in England! The optional choice of wearing a mask! I fûcking detest them! Rotten fûcking things! 50plus hours a week disaster and then tools not wearing them right or at all! Pisses me off!

Cork2021 wrote: »

So basically the common cold will be more frequent and we’ll all get the shîts once we stop wearing masks??

You might.yes.
A lot of people will contract flu and enteroviruses causing illness, which can be severe in some especially elderly and children.
It is one burden we thankfully did not have last year because of mask wearing.
Just back to normal but with Delta cases as well.

Goldengirl wrote: »

You might.yes.
A lot of people will contract flu and enteroviruses causing illness, which can be severe in some especially elderly and children.
It is one burden we thankfully did not have last year because of mask wearing.
Just back to normal but with Delta cases as well.

Fair enough, we didn’t lockdown or have any restrictions when these were prevalent in our society in late 2019?
Genuine question.. once covid does become endemic like the flu et al. Do expect us to continue restrictions?

Cork2021 wrote: »

Fair enough, we didn’t lockdown or have any restrictions when these were prevalent in our society in late 2019?
Genuine question.. once covid does become endemic like the flu et al. Do expect us to continue restrictions?

No. We didn't because those are not novel viruses and death rate was much lower.
We are getting to grips with Covid just through lockdown and now vaccination. So once we have herd immunity I don't see restrictions continuing, no.
But I dont think abandoning everything in one fell swoop will happen here like the UK .
Do you?

hmmm wrote: »

I don't see WFH as "light", it's a constraint on businesses. On the other hand, there has to be a big push to get employees not to turn up for work if sick.

Facemasks - yeah trivial, no issues with that.

I'd like to see lots of available tests, and really easy to get. Walk-in test centres in urban areas.

Big push on the Flu vaccine this year.

We also need to start thinking about hospital capacity. A stand-alone & temporary respiratory hospital in Dublin would pay for itself I think, along with similar perhaps in Cork and maybe Limerick & Galway.

Under no circumstances would I want restrictions because large numbers of people who chose not to get vaccinated end up sick. I appreciate there might be a large burden on hospitals, but I don't think the social cohesion will be there to endure much in the way of restrictions because of the actions of that group.

Hmmm whilst agree on a lot of what you say, how are facemasks trivial?
Ask the retail, fast food, HCW, how trivial they are. It’s so disheartening everyday having to go into work wearing them! That’s my work week 45 hours, once you finish eating mask on! Mask on while taking a shît etc! Masks have to go

hmmm wrote: »

We also need to start thinking about hospital capacity. A stand-alone & temporary respiratory hospital in Dublin would pay for itself I think, along with similar perhaps in Cork and maybe Limerick & Galway.

Thinking about it is all we can do

We are 1/4 of a trillion in debt right now, having added the most debt of all EU countries due to our lengthy, multiple lockdowns & building hospital capacity and infrastructure in the future is but a dream

Goldengirl wrote: »

When you talk about those respiratory hospitals do you envisage isolation hospitals like the old style ' fever' or TB sanitariums?

In a way, yes. From what I'm hearing and reading it's likely that Covid will be something we see spike ever Winter, and it may match Flu for its impact on healthcare. Obviously that's a capacity problem, but not necessarily something that causes a huge amounts of deaths (as the most vulnerable will be vaccinated, and we get better at treating it).

I could see a future where people are more aware of respiratory viruses, and if you present at hospital with possible symptoms you're diverted very quickly to a more isolated hospital where you're isolated from people with other non-respiratory ailments. Specialist health teams there assist you through dealing with whatever illness you have.

Dealing with cross-infection would be a problem I know, but then you'd have the same problem (and worse) in a general hospital.