Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

zackory wrote:

And what about the sheebeens, house parties, traveller funerals, schools being open, meat factories, dame Lane, South William Street, direct provision centres, people flying in and out etc., etc., etc.

Plenty of idiots and Cowboys to go around in those groups.

gral6 wrote:

Idiots are in government now.

And in the opposition lest you forget that Mary Lou is every bit as bug an idiot as Martin, Varadkar and our last two health ministers.

hmmm wrote:

That's your view, but if they are that casual about Covid I'd be willing to bet that casualness probably extends into other areas of their business, including hygiene and food preparation.

Scary when you think about it.

hmmm wrote:

There's a reason good businesses take their responsibilities seriously.

For sure and it's terrible how much they've suffered over the last 16 or so months.

giveitholly wrote:

And if NHPET and Tony Holohan weren't on a power trip and trying to keep us in lockdown forever then maybe people wouldn't be as fed up and exhausted from all the restrictions

NPHET don't have any power, they are an advisory body.

zackory wrote:

Maybe the sensible ones are getting on with their lives for the last 17 months as best they can, and the idiots are the ones lapping up everything Tony Holohan says.

No the idiots are the ones that don't listen, that take chances and are responsible for the spread of the virus and ultimately deaths over the last 16 or so months.
It's possible to get on with your life while following good advice and having a bit of cop on.

bucketybuck wrote: »

Perhaps. Either way, it seems unfair to blame the elderly for dying just because they apparently didn't listen hard enough to NPHET.

I'm not blaming the elderly, you are saying Tony was telling people to visit nursing homes and alluding to the fact Tony caused the nursing home deaths.
I'm just pointing out the timelines don't line up and visitors couldn't have infected any nursing home residents.

eagle eye wrote: »

The truth will be told a lot.
If everybody was sensible, cop on and following advice, we'd be all fine and covid would never have been a big issue here.
It's the idiots who don't listen or take chances that are responsible for the spread.

Humans gonna human. It's a waste of time and effort to expect people to change their innate social behaviors. Can't believe people are still trotting out the "if only we'd followed all the rules" mantra. Didn't happen anywhere.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Ah I see we're back to blaming people for picking up a virus again, rinse and repeat every few months. Because everyone that contracted covid must have been irresponsible and its all their fault.... christ

Only in Ireland do we misbehave supposedly. I am sure in every country people didn’t follow guidelines

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Expect a lockdown every January when there is a flu outbreak.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/spike-in-hospital-admissions-from-delta-covid-wave-would-be-extreme-concern-1151823.html

Why?

zackory wrote: »

And constantly trotting out the blame other people line amounts to not much more than trolling at this point.

I still see Donnelly being asked who is to blame if cases and deaths rise.... his response... blame Covid. Cringe worthy!

bucketybuck wrote: »

Because we have established what the national response should be every time our health service is under pressure.

But the flu is not novel. The issue with Covid was it was a novel virus and at the time, no vaccines etc...

bucketybuck wrote: »

Because we have established what the national response should be every time our health service is under pressure.

We've established a method of stopping our system blowing a lid during a pandemic, there's nothing to suggest that we'll now be locking down for the seasonal flu.

Interesting to see new English Health Secretary, Sajid Javid's attitude to these restrictions. All restrictions gone in England in two weeks time. Masks, SD, the lot. They are going to actually live with this virus now.

Expect a travel ban to and from England soon.

bucketybuck wrote: »

The flu? Covid?

Doesn't matter if the cause is the flu or a national outbreak of dysentery, if the health service is close to collapse then we have a moral imperative to take action and lockdown to flatten the curve. How can anybody say otherwise, don't they care about the vulnerable?

So who has said the health service is close to collapsing?

Wolf359f wrote: »

So who has said the health service is close to collapsing?

Nobody has, including me, that you choose to ask that question shows me your intention here.

niamh247 wrote: »

Just 40 intensive care beds available ahead of Delta Covid wave

https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/spike-in-hospital-admissions-from-delta-covid-wave-would-be-extreme-concern-1151823.html

Why don't someone get fired for this lack of prep? Why is this tolerated or seen as normal in this country? How can he have a face to declare this and proudly say "we are busy"?

Also only 300 general beds our of 11K seem to be available. This country is only more concerned about teaching their men about how to collect and carry dog poop than doing any sort of real planning and administration. Rediculous.

Incompetence, utter lack of any foresight everywhere. Refined talk, nice appearance, cool slide decks, well-managed calls, careful statements, media-oriented focus .... The country is devoid of real men.

The problem is also due to lack of any inspection in general. One could say any nonsense with a deep voice and a fine confident face, and there is nobody to inspect the sensibilities beyond the shiny shell of glib talk.