F1 2021 Round 9 : Austrian GP

Tzardine · 04-07-2021 3:27pm

Lando robbed of P2 today.

PsychoPete · 04-07-2021 3:28pm

Be great if they'd tell us about the yellow flag

Cool_CM · 04-07-2021 3:28pm

Vettel and Kimi?

Yup- can't wait to hear that radio!

PsychoPete · 04-07-2021 3:29pm

It's Verstappens year lads!

04-07-2021 3:29pm

Good result. I’m disappointed for Russel. At least Lando is on the podium but I feel it should have been P2

ctrl-alt-delete · 04-07-2021 3:30pm

Good race that,

I'm off to invest in orange smoke bomb shares.

skipper_G · 04-07-2021 3:30pm

Kimi just drove into the back of Vettel, did he have his eyes closed

namloc1980 · 04-07-2021 3:31pm

Happy for Bottas.

flazio · 04-07-2021 3:31pm

5 second penalty for Vettel for forcing Kimi off track.

04-07-2021 3:32pm

Glad Sainz got past even just to make Perez's penalty mean something. Really hate penalities that have no effect.

Kimi and Vettel a bit weird, on board they both look fine. Off-board maybe Vettel should've left a little more space but it didn't really look like they were fighting.

Can't understand Mercedes letting Bottas past then pitting Hamilton at all. Wasn't pulling away or anything but himself and Bottas looked perfectly comfortable til then.

Andrew76 · 04-07-2021 3:32pm

Enjoyed that race, delighted Max extended his lead. Think Perez was just short of the 10s he needed to keep 5th? Driver of the day for me was Norris.

Kimi should do us all a favour and retire.

skipper_G · 04-07-2021 3:32pm

Great weekend for Norris, he's in top form this year

Jordan 199 · 04-07-2021 3:33pm

skipper_G wrote: »

Great weekend for Norris, he's in top form this year

He's superb.

TheDoctor · 04-07-2021 3:34pm

There was a point before the first stops though this was going to be a quiet race but it ended up being very entertaining

Faugheen · 04-07-2021 3:34pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Can't understand Mercedes letting Bottas past then pitting Hamilton at all. Wasn't pulling away or anything but himself and Bottas looked perfectly comfortable til then.

They had to let Bottas go because of Norris really and Hamilton was miles off the pace.

They only pit Hamilton after Norris passed him.

skipper_G · 04-07-2021 3:35pm

Huge cheers from the crowd for Norris

Tzardine · 04-07-2021 3:36pm

Great support from the crowd for Lando. I think the Dutch F1 fans are a lot like the Irish football fans. They seem like they are all about the craic.

04-07-2021 3:36pm

Faugheen wrote: »

They had to let Bottas go because of Norris really and Hamilton was miles off the pace.

They only pit Hamilton after Norris passed him.

What was the benefit? He was miles off the pace but Norris hadn't put any pressure at all on Bottas while he was in Hamilton's DRS window. All it did was guarantee Norris would get past one of them.

klose · 04-07-2021 3:37pm

That was a good race, the ricciardo leclerc sainz train was good watching. Big result for ricciardo, Russell unfortunately just came up short but bring p11 on merit shows he's a quality driver.

Must be soul destroying being either haas driver or latifi.

Gaoth Laidir · 04-07-2021 3:38pm

The Ferraris had a fairly decent finish, considering the poor quali.

This is it · 04-07-2021 3:39pm

Really enjoyed that, battles throughout the field and Max extends his lead

Itssoeasy · 04-07-2021 3:39pm

Good race and great to see that we will have a competitive championship. And great to see Lando norris doing well.

MadYaker · 04-07-2021 3:45pm

Sad there's no race next weekend, that was great. Sky are showing Goodwood though....

JeffKenna · 04-07-2021 3:45pm

Just me or did Bottas look unhappy on the podium?
Good race.

04-07-2021 3:45pm

It’s great to see some real racing at the front of the field now that a few of the top teams have cars have similar pace.

I think that many are starting to realize that maybe Max is the best driver.

MadYaker · 04-07-2021 3:45pm

JeffKenna wrote: »

Just me or did Bottas look unhappy on the podium?
Good race.

He's just Finnish

flazio · 04-07-2021 3:49pm

Can you imagine if Sainz stayed where he was and Ferrari snapped up Ricciardo instead.

Andrew76 · 04-07-2021 3:50pm

2011 wrote: »

I think that many are starting to realize that maybe Max is the best driver.

Probably won't happen but would be great to see them in the same car, Max is on fire and is only going to get better. My fear is that Mercedes will dominate again from 2022 having pretty much stopped developing this year's car, hopefully not. Would be fantastic for McLaren to joint the fight too.

Fantastic to hear the crowd too.

KevRossi · 04-07-2021 3:57pm

Max got his first 'Grand Prix Grand Slam' today, won't be his last.

Pole, led from start to finish, fastest lap and win.

H3llR4iser · 04-07-2021 4:00pm

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

Pretty dejected in that message, "if it is for that turn 4 what does the guy expect when ge goes out wide?"

I'm with Di Resta and I want to see hard racing, you take that chance you've got to be prepared for it not working. Not all tracks are going to have a nice run off area to soften the blow.

The problem is that there NEEDS to be a marker laid down, otherwise pushing people off track trying to defend will become the norm and overtaking will become completely impossible; It'd become like racing 12 years old on the F1 games, "say behind or be bashed off of the track".

This is pretty much what happened through the late '80s and early '90s, when the race stewards where probably not even watching the races - to the point that drivers like Senna and Schumacher made it a habit of just trying to punt anyone attempting an overtake out of the track.

Funnily enough, Sky windbags' shameless British bias got it right for once - Lando sorta left a bit of space to Perez, so that could theoretically have left to slide; Perez is however indefensible on the two episodes with Leclerc - the first time he actually used the Ferrari as an "auxiliary braking device", ffs. Also, Russell on Alonso showed how you can defend out of turn 6 without pushing people on the gravel.

Gaoth Laidir · 04-07-2021 4:07pm

Sorry, I missed it, what's the change in format in Silverstone?

04-07-2021 4:14pm

Andrew76 wrote: »

Probably won't happen but would be great to see them in the same car, Max is on fire and is only going to get better.

Yes, but there is a real chance that we might see Russel in the same car.
That would be interesting. I imagine Mercedes would be concerned that Russel may not be willing to play the number 2 role like Bottas does.

MadYaker · 04-07-2021 4:15pm

Russell did well and I was sad not to see him get points.

flazio · 04-07-2021 4:20pm

F1 TV saying Russell is under investigation for moving under braking in a fight with Kimi.

antodeco · 04-07-2021 4:25pm

flazio wrote: »

F1 TV saying Russell is under investigation for moving under braking in a fight with Kimi.

I noticed him do that actually but thought I had viewed it wrong

Burkie1203 · 04-07-2021 4:32pm

Lando just destroyed Russell on TV

Joeface · 04-07-2021 4:37pm

Much improved race today , still suffered from the DRS train places but was more entertaining with everything else going on .

Is there any chance Redbull had leaned on the FIA for the Norris move believing Perez would get back on Par. And the penalty would move Norris out of the way for them ,only for it to back fire twice. It's not unlike any time Toto has been on to them for his driver's for blue flags etc. I mean it would have been worth it only Perez never really got on terms today .

I only saw all of those as a racing incidents ,Norris ,Perez and Leclecre x2 right up until Russell and Alonso and how they handedly those sections and some side by side . Good racing from both.

Lando Norris is currently driver of the year. He is absolutely flying .

Perez 4 points on license , Norris 2 ,
4 drivers called in for not slowing for double waved flags at the end

Russell for moving under braking.

And all the penalties in one race . That is most I have seen .

klose · 04-07-2021 4:39pm

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Sorry, I missed it, what's the change in format in Silverstone?

First sprint race isn't it?

Burkie1203 · 04-07-2021 4:41pm

Joeface wrote: »

Is there any chance Redbull had leaned on the FIA for the Norris move believing Perez would get back on Par. And the penalty would move Norris out of the way for them ,only for it to back fire twice. It's not unlike any time Toto has been on to them for his driver's for blue flags etc. I mean it would have been worth it only Perez never really got on terms today

Horner said he felt the Lando penalty was harsh before Checo had either of his incidents with LEC

ThunbergsAreGo · 04-07-2021 4:46pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Lando just destroyed Russell on TV

What he do?

Burkie1203 · 04-07-2021 4:48pm

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

What he do?

Russell came up to him and told he was sweating a lot

Lando replied "it's champagne"

Burkie1203 · 04-07-2021 4:48pm

8 drivers summoned for not slowing under double waved yellows

El_Duderino 09 · 04-07-2021 5:04pm

klose wrote: »

First sprint race isn't it?

Qualifying on Friday which sets the start order for the sprint race on Saturday. The sprint race sets the order for the race on Sunday.

Andrew76 · 04-07-2021 5:11pm

2011 wrote: »

Yes, but there is a real chance that we might see Russel in the same car.
That would be interesting. I imagine Mercedes would be concerned that Russel may not be willing to play the number 2 role like Bottas does.

It's an interesting dilemma Merc have regarding that second seat. It was a no brainer to sign Lewis up for another couple of years but do they stick with Bottas who (fortunately for the team but unfortunately for us) can't really trouble Lewis over a full season, or go with the young gun who's surely desperate to get out of that Williams and show everyone what he can do. We got a glimpse of it last year when Lewis was out with covid.

Would Merc allow him to get racy with Lewis? If not then what would be the point signing him. Or maybe they would allow it once there was no punting each other off too often - ultimately Toto just wants Merc winning both titles I'm guessing.

Personally I'd like Russell to get a shot in a top team.

Joeface wrote: »

Is there any chance Redbull had leaned on the FIA for the Norris move believing Perez would get back on Par. And the penalty would move Norris out of the way for them ,only for it to back fire twice. It's not unlike any time Toto has been on to them for his driver's for blue flags etc. I mean it would have been worth it only Perez never really got on terms today .

Even though Horner said he saw it as a racing incident you'd have to imagine the team were on to race control to complain about it - they wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't. But yeah, it then back fired on them with Checo doing the exact same thing, twice. I see he ended up in 6th behind Sainz, just fell short of building that 10sec gap.

My first thought on those turn 4 incidents was Checo and LeClerc were stupid to try go around the outside - too much of a risk and much better places to overtake. Would not fancy being a steward at some of these races.

klose · 04-07-2021 5:26pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Qualifying on Friday which sets the start order for the sprint race on Saturday. The sprint race sets the order for the race on Sunday.

Yeah it should be an interesting spectacle, could throw up a few surprises (hopefully)

klose · 04-07-2021 5:30pm

Andrew76 wrote: »

Would Merc allow him to get racy with Lewis? If not then what would be the point signing him. Or maybe they would allow it once there was no punting each other off too often - ultimately Toto just wants Merc winning both titles I'm guessing.

Personally I'd like Russell to get a shot in a top team.

Pie in the sky stuff but it would be interesting to see if Russell hit the ground running and was out pacing Lewis, that would be a real headache for Toto to manage

El_Duderino 09 · 04-07-2021 6:08pm

Andrew76 wrote: »

It's an interesting dilemma Merc have regarding that second seat. It was a no brainer to sign Lewis up for another couple of years but do they stick with Bottas who (fortunately for the team but unfortunately for us) can't really trouble Lewis over a full season, or go with the young gun who's surely desperate to get out of that Williams and show everyone what he can do. We got a glimpse of it last year when Lewis was out with covid.

Would Merc allow him to get racy with Lewis? If not then what would be the point signing him. Or maybe they would allow it once there was no punting each other off too often - ultimately Toto just wants Merc winning both titles I'm guessing.

Personally I'd like Russell to get a shot in a top team.
...

The point of signing him even if they dont allow him to challenge Lewis would be succession planning to have a top driver in the team when Lewis retires after his next 2 years.

I'd say they'll have to let them race. No point picking a winner before they even know how they measure up against each other. They might let them race and if one shoots ahead on points or one is in championship contention, then favour that driver. But I doubt they will sign Russell as no.2 before they even know how fast he is compared to Lewis.

Andrew76 · 04-07-2021 6:18pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The point of signing him even if they dont allow him to challenge Lewis would be succession planning to have a top driver in the team when Lewis retires after his next 2 years.

I'd say they'll have to let them race. No point picking a winner before they even know how they measure up against each other. They might let them race and if one shoots ahead on points or one is in championship contention, then favour that driver. But I doubt they will sign Russell as no.2 before they even know how fast he is compared to Lewis.

Agreed, they'd have to let them race to see where Russell is at and manage the situation from there. Not sure if it was on BBC or where I read it but I thought it was interesting Lewis not wanting to comment on Russell as a potential team mate next year - 'he's not my team mate, Bottas is and we get on great' was the gist of what he said.

quokula · 04-07-2021 6:28pm

The problem Merc have is that Hamilton will throw his toys out of the pram publicly in the way he spread conspiracy theories against the team when Rosberg was beating him, and in the way he published private telemetry data to social media when Button was beating him.

Toto has been on record multiple times that he doesn’t want a repeat of Rosberg and they’ve had ample opportunities to hire a stronger driver than Bottas but refused to. I don’t see how it would be any different with Russell, he already showed at Bahrain last year that he’s capable of doing just as much with the car as Lewis is, so I just can’t see the team risking bringing him in with their current philosophy of sacrificing the second driver to benefit Hamilton.

JeffKenna · 04-07-2021 6:45pm

Andrew76 wrote: »

It's an interesting dilemma Merc have regarding that second seat. It was a no brainer to sign Lewis up for another couple of years but do they stick with Bottas who (fortunately for the team but unfortunately for us) can't really trouble Lewis over a full season, or go with the young gun who's surely desperate to get out of that Williams and show everyone what he can do. We got a glimpse of it last year when Lewis was out with covid.

Would Merc allow him to get racy with Lewis? If not then what would be the point signing him. Or maybe they would allow it once there was no punting each other off too often - ultimately Toto just wants Merc winning both titles I'm guessing.

Personally I'd like Russell to get a shot in a top team.

Even though Horner said he saw it as a racing incident you'd have to imagine the team were on to race control to complain about it - they wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't. But yeah, it then back fired on them with Checo doing the exact same thing, twice. I see he ended up in 6th behind Sainz, just fell short of building that 10sec gap.

My first thought on those turn 4 incidents was Checo and LeClerc were stupid to try go around the outside - too much of a risk and much better places to overtake. Would not fancy being a steward at some of these races.

Why would they have complained? Norris was ahead of both Mercs and lost a place to Bottas because of the penalty during the pitstop. Surely they'd prefer to the Mercs to get the least amount of points.

F1 2021 Round 9 : Austrian GP

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