What exactly is happening with AstraZeneca?

sliabh 1956 · 30-06-2021 09:00PM

I got my first injection towards the end of April I am going back for my second on the 4th July. About a month ago I began to experience a soreness in my muscle where i got injected. also i have pins and needles in my fingers these symptoms come and go during the day all very strange.

30-06-2021 09:53PM

sliabh 1956 wrote: »

I got my first injection towards the end of April I am going back for my second on the 4th July. About a month ago I began to experience a soreness in my muscle where i got injected. also i have pins and needles in my fingers these symptoms come and go during the day all very strange.

I got my second last week.

first in mid april.

I have pains in both upper arms all the time ever since first dose.

Sore when I touch them or rotate arms.

Pain irritation 1 out of 10.

Just strange.

Why would the arm that wasnt injected at all be still sore.

Worse after 2nd jab.

WhiteMemento9 · 30-06-2021 10:32PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

1/250000 scares you

Risk of dying from

Motor vehicle 1/107
Pedestrian 1/543
Choking on food 1/2,535
Sunstroke 1/8,248
Dog attack 1/8,6781
Lightning 1/138,849

https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/preventable-death-overview/odds-of-dying/

I think you'll be OK:rolleyes:

What kind of dodgy stats comparison is happening here :pac:

These are lifetime odds. They have no relevance towards a single jab shot.

Furze99 · 01-07-2021 10:02AM

Woody79 wrote: »

Fair enough.

Common sense.

Taking on board medical advice.

But therein lies a significant issue - doctors differ and patients die etc. There are multiple views out there on these matters from experts in their various fields. As regards mixing vaccines, this is deemed safe in other countries. One suspects that the reason we are dragging our feet on it is not to do with safety reviews, but a blunt HSE policy as to how they will allocate vaccines.

Furze99 · 01-07-2021 10:07AM

Woody79 wrote: »

I got my second last week.

first in mid april.

I have pains in both upper arms all the time ever since first dose.

Sore when I touch them or rotate arms.

Pain irritation 1 out of 10.

Just strange.

Why would the arm that wasnt injected at all be still sore.

Worse after 2nd jab.

First AZ in early May - awaiting second AZ or alternative. No particular symptoms like that, just felt illish for a day or so after the first dose. What you report doesn't sound great.

robinph · 01-07-2021 10:09AM

Furze99 wrote: »

First AZ in early May - awaiting second AZ or alternative. No particular symptoms like that, just felt illish for a day or so after the first dose. What you report doesn't sound great.

I was bad for 12 hours with dose one of Astra Zeneca, dose two and had zero symptoms.

brendanwalsh · 01-07-2021 12:25PM

Close friend has refused the second jab and awaiting a letter from her consultant to recommend she get an alternative. MVC told them if they get a letter they’ll get a mRNA.

Our must vulnerable should not be lamped with a second class vaccine.

Wolf359f · 01-07-2021 12:26PM

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Close friend has refused the second jab and awaiting a letter from her consultant to recommend she get an alternative. MVC told them if they get a letter they’ll get a mRNA.

Our must vulnerable should not be lamped with a second class vaccine.

Why would you class AZ as a second class vaccine????

thecretinhop · 01-07-2021 12:29PM

lol my postman said hes 30 and getting de filth as he calls az.
he wants sputnik as putin would not harm his fighting men lol

topdecko · 01-07-2021 12:36PM

I have fielded calls from multiple people who have had extreme reactions to first dose AZ and under no circumstances will they take second dose of AZ. whilst the incidence of CVST and other clotting disorders is of the order of 1/200,000 i would suspect significant reactions and exaggerated immune response are many times higher.
Other european countries are mixing and matching vaccines and we will here at some point. The volte face on the AZ vaccine has to be explained to the youth and that it is not ideal but a pragmatic response to emergence of this new variant. Very conflicting advice coming from NIAC at times.

Furze99 · 01-07-2021 01:40PM

topdecko wrote: »

I have fielded calls from multiple people who have had extreme reactions to first dose AZ and under no circumstances will they take second dose of AZ. whilst the incidence of CVST and other clotting disorders is of the order of 1/200,000 i would suspect significant reactions and exaggerated immune response are many times higher.
Other european countries are mixing and matching vaccines and we will here at some point. The volte face on the AZ vaccine has to be explained to the youth and that it is not ideal but a pragmatic response to emergence of this new variant. Very conflicting advice coming from NIAC at times.

Very mixed messages alright, let's hope for all sakes that this rigid policy of 'no choice' doesn't come back to haunt the Irish taxpayer.

fin12 · 01-07-2021 01:41PM

Furze99 wrote: »

But therein lies a significant issue - doctors differ and patients die etc. There are multiple views out there on these matters from experts in their various fields. As regards mixing vaccines, this is deemed safe in other countries. One suspects that the reason we are dragging our feet on it is not to do with safety reviews, but a blunt HSE policy as to how they will allocate vaccines.

It’s very simple they have loads of AstraZeneca and want to put it into anyone they can , if u nearly died after taking the first jab they are still now offering u the 2nd dose. They don’t give a ****. That happened to a woman up the country .

Ms2011 · 01-07-2021 01:45PM

I was as sick as a small hospital after both jabs.
I inject immunosuppressing medicine fortnightly so I don't know if that made a difference.

01-07-2021 07:00PM

topdecko wrote: »

I have fielded calls from multiple people who have had extreme reactions to first dose AZ and under no circumstances will they take second dose of AZ. whilst the incidence of CVST and other clotting disorders is of the order of 1/200,000 i would suspect significant reactions and exaggerated immune response are many times higher.
Other european countries are mixing and matching vaccines and we will here at some point. The volte face on the AZ vaccine has to be explained to the youth and that it is not ideal but a pragmatic response to emergence of this new variant. Very conflicting advice coming from NIAC at times.

Probably had covid before...

They should be happy.

sweet-rasmus · 02-07-2021 08:59AM

Up to 23 June 2021, the MHRA had received Yellow Card reports of 395 cases of major thromboembolic events (blood clots) with concurrent thrombocytopenia (low platelet counts) in the UK following vaccination with COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca. Thirty four of the 395 reports have been reported after a second dose.

Of the 395 reports, 206 occurred in women, and 186 occurred in men aged from 18 to 93 years.

The overall case fatality rate was 18% with 70 deaths, five of which occurred after the second dose.

The estimated number of first doses of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca administered in the UK by 23 June was 24.5 million and the estimated number of second doses was 20.7 million.

The overall incidence after first or unknown doses was 14.7 per million doses.

The overall incidence after second doses was 1.6 per million doses.

there is a significantly lower incidence after the second dose compared to the first, and there is overall no indication of an increased risk of these events after the second dose in any age group. Anyone who did not have these side effects should come forward for their second dose when invited.

On the basis of this ongoing review, the advice remains that the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks in the majority of people.

For balance: one blood clot related death was reported to be linked to Pfizer

Up to 23 June 2021, the MHRA had received Yellow Card reports of 12 cases of major thromboembolic events (blood clots) with concurrent thrombocytopenia (low platelet counts) in the UK following use of the COVID-19 Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. These events occurred in 5 women, and 7 men aged from 31 to 91 years, and the overall case fatality rate was 8% with one death reported.

Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

brickster69 · 02-07-2021 10:56AM

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

There is now an Indian variant (ha) of this vaccine and it’s not approved for Eu green pass which will cause confusion for 5million uk people potentially

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/eu-vaccine-passport-excludes-5m-britons-given-indian-made-astrazeneca/

Great news, even more money going into the UK hospitality sector this year.

RobMc59 · 02-07-2021 11:03AM

brickster69 wrote: »

Great news, even more money going into the UK hospitality sector this year.

Also looks like India is ready to hit back by insisting EU green vaccine card holders still have to quarantine.

brickster69 · 02-07-2021 11:08AM

RobMc59 wrote: »

Also looks like India is ready to hit back by insisting EU green vaccine card holders still have to quarantine.

Couldn't make it up. Like headless chicken. Next thing you know there will be another bailout needed

brickster69 · 02-07-2021 11:24AM

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Not encountering as many drunk, loud and rude British tourists does sound like great news

Why do you think they are drunk, loud and rude. Because they have given so much money to the bar owners and hoteliers :pac::pac:

astrofool · 02-07-2021 11:41AM

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

There is now an Indian variant (ha) of this vaccine and it’s not approved for Eu green pass which will cause confusion for 5million uk people potentially

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/eu-vaccine-passport-excludes-5m-britons-given-indian-made-astrazeneca/

How is that even a story? They will apply for the vaccine to be on the list and it will be approved and everybody will move on (afaik SII is already on the approved manufacturer list for EU vaccines).

Though it's still bad that their vaccine "success" was partially built on sneaking vaccines from part of their old empire while India itself went without.

Timberrrrrrrr · 02-07-2021 11:54AM

Not encountering as many drunk, loud and rude British tourists does sound like great

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

I thought it was lack of education and a society built on not respecting others

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Telegraph trying to spin it as big bad EU not recognising a vaccine variant which was not even submitted for approval. The usual “they out to punish us” nonsense.

IMHO it’s an example of how bugger thy neighbour Brexit/Trumpian far right politics which now is how UK rolls is causing problems and not helping towards resolving issues caused by Covid. And yet another chapter in this particular vaccine’s saga.

Jaysus that's a massive chip you have on your shoulders.

brickster69 · 02-07-2021 12:05PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Jaysus that's a massive chip you have on your shoulders.

Weird isn't it. The only thing that would make him smile is if he saw hundreds of dying brits every day on the news.

brickster69 · 02-07-2021 12:34PM

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Are you talking about Boris “let the bodies pile up” Johnson again?

Not good that one, that but let's keep it on the subject to hand. How about

Wasting 3 months on haggling contracts with AZ
Only committing to purchase as long as it was approved
8% effective
Quassi effective
No good for over 65's
Only good for under 65's
Armed forces raiding factories because the Brits are stealing them
No good for under 40's
Good for under 40's
Millions of doses sat in fridges because populations hesitant

And now they wonder why they have not double jabbed enough as Delta appears, they only started talks last June

ebbsy · 02-07-2021 12:40PM

Woody79 wrote: »

Most reasonable people know this vaccine will save hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives.

You'd swear people are being injected with poison and not life saving vaccine.

Do pzfier have to apologise for myocarditis with teenagers ending up in ICU or asprin for upset stomach or bleeding on the brain?

Very immature and childish post.

+1

And that is being nice.

robinph · 02-07-2021 12:47PM

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

There is now an Indian variant (ha) of this vaccine and it’s not approved for Eu green pass which will cause confusion for 5million uk people potentially

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/eu-vaccine-passport-excludes-5m-britons-given-indian-made-astrazeneca/

Exactly the same vaccine, just the Indian factory hasn't been approved by the EU yet. Nothing at all to suggest there is any difference between the product that's been put in people's arms.

brickster69 · 02-07-2021 12:50PM

And then believe it or not they take them to court, try to bankrupt them, because they wanted more of what they spent months trashing.

If it was not so serious you would die of fu##ing laughter.

Christy42 · 02-07-2021 01:24PM

robinph wrote: »

Exactly the same vaccine, just the Indian factory hasn't been approved by the EU yet. Nothing at all to suggest there is any difference between the product that's been put in people's arms.

Pretty sure the burden of proof here goes the other way.

robinph · 02-07-2021 01:26PM

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Until it this “strain” is approved by EMA we only have your word that these vaccines are exactly the same and no corners were cut.

There was already plenty of examples of SputnikV that was delivered to various countries was not same vaccine as what was published.

Why are you using the terms "variant" and "strain" in relation to a vaccine made in a different factory? Clearly trying to make subtle insinuations that a vaccine manufactured in India is actually some kind of new virus infection.

The vaccine is approved in the UK and other countries for supply from the Indian manufacturing facility. Unless you have something to show its different stop misrepresenting what the situation with the pending EU approval of the factory actually means.

robinph · 02-07-2021 02:41PM

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

What do you propose we use to describe these batches of AZ vaccine being distributed under a completely different name? Cohort?

UK is not a member of EU we don’t know if what they approve is safe and if the approval there was granted for political not scientific reasons

If all is as you claim it is the they can apply for approval and get it fairly quickly, nothing to worry about right?

Until then those cohort of Brits who got the Indian version of the AZ vaccine and want to travel to Eu can either get approved vaccinations or a pcr test or they can stay home.

The vaccine was approved in the UK whilst they were still part of the EU system, no indication that anything untoward happened with its approval.

If you have something other than just a hatred of anything the UK does in relation to this vaccine then why not tell us. There is nothing odd going on, nothing to suggest anything is wrong, just the EU hasn't been getting Astra Zeneca supplies from India so not been any reason for them to approve that facility.

At the moment international differences between supplys and approvals are throwing up a few complicating in various directions. In very short time I'd expect any vaccine status to be defined by nothing more than if your home country says you've been vaccinated then the destination country will accept that, much like the way passports work by someones home country issuing it and the destination just accepts it as valid. Nobody is going to care what vaccine you got in whatever country once the world figures themselves out and everywhere is vaccinated to a decent level.

At the moment there are a few people who happened to get a particular batch who might not be able to travel to the EU, nobody has yet decided if that is actually what is going to happen though. Just a scary story in The Telegraph trying to make out the EU are doing something bad to the UK holiday makers.

RobMc59 · 02-07-2021 02:56PM

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Literally in the first sentence of the article it says

“The jab, authorised in the UK in February”

Many people who got AZ in uk don’t know exactly which batch they got

Are we supposed to trust a third country who have shown time and time again they can not be trusted and whose leadership behaves in a reckless fashion with our health and lives? If those who got it are not sure they can always get a PCR test and maybe write their MPs asking why batches were mixed up

Everyone who gets any covid vaccine in the UK gets a card stating which vaccine it is and its batch number.This method is used for both jabs.

What exactly is happening with AstraZeneca?

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