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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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    #7352
    ginoginelli
    Registered Users Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »
    Plenty of pubs and hotels blatantly ignoring the health measures now, nothing being done, no checks etc and im speaking from experience

    That's a massive reason why we have to be so restrictive in this country. Many pubs and restaurants just wont adhere to the rules unless there is severe consequences for not doing so.

    We saw it at christmas, places were jam packed, table service abandoned, no enforcment on masks.

    Many in hospitality are their own worst enemy and spoiling it on the others.


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    #7353
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ginoginelli wrote: »
    That's a massive reason why we have to be so restrictive in this country. Many pubs and restaurants just wont adhere to the rules unless there is severe consequences for not doing so.

    We saw it at christmas, places were jam packed, table service abandoned, no enforcment on masks.

    Many in hospitality are their own worst enemy and spoiling it on the others.

    Lol! So we’re back to this idea that the Irish behave like animals and the rest of Europe/world are all perfect…


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    #7354
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    ginoginelli wrote: »
    That's a massive reason why we have to be so restrictive in this country. Many pubs and restaurants just wont adhere to the rules unless there is severe consequences for not doing so.

    We saw it at christmas, places were jam packed, table service abandoned, no enforcment on masks.

    Many in hospitality are their own worst enemy and spoiling it on the others.


    Or because our health service is pathetic and can’t cope at the best of times.

    Remember the trolley watch days….

    Sigh, simpler times


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    #7355
    Marty Bird
    Registered Users Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    ginoginelli wrote: »
    That's a massive reason why we have to be so restrictive in this country. Many pubs and restaurants just wont adhere to the rules unless there is severe consequences for not doing so.

    We saw it at christmas, places were jam packed, table service abandoned, no enforcment on masks.

    Many in hospitality are their own worst enemy and spoiling it on the others.

    Don’t know about places you visited but from my own experience in any place I went all the guidelines were adhered too.

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



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    #7356
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    9 deaths in June

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40326233.html
    Dr Holohan gave TDs a briefing on the current disease scenario, noting there have been just nine deaths from the virus in June with cases, hospitalisations and ICUs trending down since January.


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    #7357
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users Posts: 12,778 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Stheno wrote: »
    9 deaths in June

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40326233.html

    But hundreds or thousands destroyed with now stage 4 cancer due to late diagnoses

    It’s a complete farce

    Shame on this joke


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    #7358
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    so now martin is calling Scotland and saying, Well I spoke to Nicola today and she said it will...and I quote..RIP through the unvaccinated population..so now... have I made my point??. pause and let that OPINION sink in....

    Nicola Sturgeon the Nobel prize winner and eminent epidemiologist???
    oh why didn't you say?? jesus christ talk about cherry picking propaganda..bloody joker this lad is. Leo is probably outside panty bar now spray painting COVID BAR!! and blaming it on the Trump fans...I need a distraction Leo..get the paint.


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    #7359
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,098 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Messi19 wrote: »
    Have a day off
    If you cannot be civil do not post


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    #7360
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Marty Bird wrote: »
    Don’t know about places you visited but from my own experience in any place I went all the guidelines were adhered too.

    I find that hard to believe TBH. Abuse of the €9 rule was rampant last Christmas with some establishments openly saying you could just direct the €9 to charity, if I remember correctly.


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    #7361
    Jizique
    Registered Users Posts: 1,875 ✭✭✭Jizique


    ninebeanrows wrote: »
    But hundreds or thousands destroyed with now stage 4 cancer due to late diagnoses

    It’s a complete farce

    Shame on this joke

    They can’t even massage the deaths number into double digits for June


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    #7362
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Jizique wrote: »
    They can’t even massage the deaths number into double digits for June

    So opening hospitality will bring us from 9 deaths a month to 1000 a month. Even with people getting vaccinated every day.


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    #7363
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Jizique wrote: »
    They can’t even massage the deaths number into double digits for June

    No wonder they stopped announcing them


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    #7364
    wadacrack
    Registered Users Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    snowstorm445 wrote: »
    I'm watching all this from Belgium atm, where the indoor scene has been reopened about three weeks at this stage, vaccinations are available for everyone over-18 (I'm 25 and I received the first dose yesterday), and in general there is a lot of optimism about where things are headed. It's a relief to see the gloom finally being lifted.

    It's incredibly depressing looking at Ireland atm - we had every right to follow expert advice when the situation was unclear and when vaccines were unavailable. But even then you noticed a difference - in Belgium, consultation on health measures went back and forth consistently between the Federal Government and all the regions. The hospitality sector, HORECA as its known here, had a huge sway in it as well, and they wouldn't have been laughed off as cranks in the same way that they are in Ireland. Basically, the government had the final say, health experts occasionally caused a stink, but a compromise had to be reached.

    There is such an air of dithering, spineless indecision when you read about what's happening in Ireland. Utter uniformity of opinion, no questions about even cosmetic changes by opposition or government members, and very little actual consultation at government level. Again, that was very understandable at the beginning, now it looks pathetic. Add into that a bizarre view that Ireland is exceptional in terms of human health (hence being so out of sync with the rest of Europe) and a patronising classroom type morality about every decision taken - people who take issue with any measures aren't just incorrect, there must be something wrong with them.

    I understand that you shouldn't shout fire in a crowded theatre, so to speak. We needed firm expert led decision making a year ago, and the less ill-informed public information circling around, the better. But now you get elected officials not even questioning faulty models when doubts are raised, and receiving diktats from a public health official like a bishop lecturing them from a pulpit.

    I really wonder how these attitudes in government will evolve once this all subsides. Not that it'll matter seeing as they would probably be too busy dealing with the shattered economy in the meantime.

    Maybe on here . In the real world most people are enjoying the summer and weather. Very few have even mentioned the indoor dining to me.


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    #7365
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users Posts: 4,867 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Once the govt. open the pubs + restaurants fully, think it will be back to normal as regards socialising indoors.

    People will bin precautions taken at home too regardless of vaccination status and measures in pubs/restaurants etc. won't be worth much once the patrons have a few drinks on board even if proprietor is making an effort.

    From a virus point of view, we are just an outlying region of the UK with more strict restrictions in place but a lower % fully vaccinated than they have managed (~ 40* vs ~ 60** %), probably a similar level to what they had when they opened up their hospitality sector fully but they did not have "Delta" variant then.

    * https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-almost-4m-vaccine-doses-administered-as-443-more-cases-confirmed-1.4604675

    ** https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55274833

    So attack nasty NPHET or whatever but that's reality of the situation. If they do take a risk and just open it all up now and it results in (another) mess, you can just keep your heads down for a wee while and stop venting your spleen about Evil Dr Tony here till it blows over, but the govt. (+ NPHET) will be ones owning it in the end!


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    #7366
    [Deleted User]
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    marno21 wrote: »
    Tony Holohan should not be rejecting ideas. Tony Holohan should be outlining advice (privately) to Government whose job it is to reject ideas.

    This has gone beyond too far now. The Government are reliant on a doctor and are running the country on whatever he decides, whereby all his concerns are on one single issue which is the transmission of one virus. There appears to be no consideration for the financial side of things either, everything comes down to "Covid infections".

    The main thing that worries me is how accepting of this the Irish public have become. This is absolutely outrageous.

    Could you imagine the reception in 2018 if we had shut down indoor hospitality out of concern for flu infections.

    We still have people on here (and in society) that think all St Tony does is advise. The last two days have shown that Tony rejects and the government follows, or else he will wage a propaganda war on the airwaves.

    We have no functioning democracy or government any more. We have Tony and his beliefs. What he says goes, and you don’t dare go against this.

    I find the situation hopeless. We will be living with restrictions as long as NPHET remain operational, no matter how many cases or vaccinations.


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    #7367
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    How do you see a conversation with a group that turn up and some don't have certs and ID to prove they belong to them even after it was explained over the phone when booking that they need them and who have a reservation and lets say a 30 euro deposit (which again is still a huge hit for the business versus serving them) being refused and being told they're not getting the deposit back?
    Best case they say ok thanks for explaining and stroll off and never come near your business again. And that case is as likely as NPHET's projected worst case for numbers.
    The kind of businesses we're talking about are well used to this. People booking a table for 12 and when they show up, they're 16 and they try to order 3 pizzas between them.
    Or one guy books a table, shows ID that he's 18 and tries to buy booze for all his underage mates hiding in the snug.

    When the rules are clear, people don't get annoyed that a business follows them. And the kind of customer who gets pissed off that you won't break the rules for them are more trouble than they're worth. Pubs and restaurants know this.

    Hospitality is doing a roaring trade at the moment. Some gobsheen who abandons a table because he thought the pub would do him a favour, will be quickly replaced by a walk-in customer.


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    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,866 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    seamus wrote: »
    The kind of businesses we're talking about are well used to this. People booking a table for 12 and when they show up, they're 16 and they try to order 3 pizzas between them.
    Or one guy books a table, shows ID that he's 18 and tries to buy booze for all his underage mates hiding in the snug.

    When the rules are clear, people don't get annoyed that a business follows them. And the kind of customer who gets pissed off that you won't break the rules for them are more trouble than they're worth. Pubs and restaurants know this.

    Hospitality is doing a roaring trade at the moment. Some gobsheen who abandons a table because he thought the pub would do him a favour, will be quickly replaced by a walk-in customer.

    Hospitality is doing a roaring trade??

    Wow, the expert speaks.

    Explain to us all how the trade is roaring when the majority of businesses that have been able to reopen can’t use most of the area they rent for customers?

    Of those that have been able to reopen.....


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    #7369
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users Posts: 6,231 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    This time last week we were coasting....

    Then the airwaves are filled with "experts" pimping hysteria about the variant....Ministers are put under pressure by news presenters about the dangers of the variant...then, despite the complete lack of any pressure on our health system our Government after flying kites all weekend announce the delay in opening, delays the opening and won't even commit to a plan of any kind.

    They are frightening the life out an amount of people who still believe these head bangers.

    This is a pantomime...I don't know how we are going to get out of this, I really don't...


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    #7370
    ginoginelli
    Registered Users Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Maybe on here . In the real world most people are enjoying the summer and weather. Very few have even mentioned the indoor dining to me.

    Same. Most people are just getting on with their lives. The outrage is mostly being whipped up by the mercentary media and the desperate vinters.

    Then the usual lunatics on social media are doing what they always do - staring at their screen all day, searching for the latest thing to moan about.


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    #7371
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users Posts: 6,231 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    seamus wrote: »

    Hospitality is doing a roaring trade at the moment. .

    You mean the one's that are open...that can facilitate outside dining and drinking...until it rains.

    Are there a few premises who are cleaning up, sure....but to describe the hospitality trade, that has to severely limit capacity, has lost lunchtime trade, commercial trade, can't host parties of any kind as doing a roaring trade is simply disingenuous!!


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    #7372
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,866 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    ginoginelli wrote: »
    Same. Most people are just getting on with their lives. The outrage is mostly being whipped up by the mercentary media and the desperate vinters.

    Then the usual lunatics on social media are doing what they always do - staring at their screen all day, searching for the latest thing to moan about.

    How much in tax are you prepared to pay for all this?


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    #7373
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    seamus wrote: »



    Hospitality is doing a roaring trade at the moment.

    No it isn't, simply because a lot of it is completely closed, so the ones that are open, look busy.

    They are carrying extra staff costs too to manage all this.

    I passed a place earlier and very quiet, the initial euphoria of eating outside is wearing off.

    There is a it of rain and cooler weather forecast. That won't help.

    Next issue will be midgets driving people mad.

    Then in late July wasps start appearing to annoy people.


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    bucketybuck
    Registered Users Posts: 18,344 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Hospitality is doing a roaring trade??

    Wow, the expert speaks.

    Explain to us all how the trade is roaring when the majority of businesses that have been able to reopen can’t use most of the area they rent for customers?

    Of those that have been able to reopen.....

    Seamus is quite consistent in his views that it is no big deal that businesses are closed and that they should just suck it up, he has stated it clearly a number of times. It is no surprise then that he also thinks it no big deal for a restaurant to lose a table of 16 at the last minute. After all, it is no loss to him.


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    #7375
    John.Icy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭John.Icy


    ginoginelli wrote: »
    Same. Most people are just getting on with their lives. The outrage is mostly being whipped up by the mercentary media and the desperate vinters.

    Then the usual lunatics on social media are doing what they always do - staring at their screen all day, searching for the latest thing to moan about.

    Massive unemployment.
    Businesses closed forever.
    Young people missing out on huge parts of their lives in college.
    Mental health issues.
    Incoming disaster for illnesses such as cancer.
    Debt that will absolutely cripple working people for years to come when we need to start paying back.

    I'm no lunatic and am generally enjoying life lately but ffs. Wind your neck in. People have every right to be upset with things right now.


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    #7376
    kwestfan08
    Registered Users Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭kwestfan08


    Just can I ask the opinion of ye here.

    So I’ve received my second jab and I’m now fully vaxxed.

    Managed to get through the pandemic without ever contracting the virus but say I was to develop symptoms in a few months, is it worth my while getting tested then? Everyone who wants to be jabbed will be at that juncture and I don’t really want it on my medical record that I ever was positive for covid 19 as they now ask that on mortgage applications and life insurance forms as far as I’m aware.

    Just wondering the thoughts on it.


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    #7377
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    ginoginelli wrote: »
    Same. Most people are just getting on with their lives. The outrage is mostly being whipped up by the mercentary media and the desperate vinters.

    Then the usual lunatics on social media are doing what they always do - staring at their screen all day, searching for the latest thing to moan about.

    It goes past that. Takeaways, late night shops, food suppliers taxis, musicians, and a host of other people feed off hospitality businesses.

    You seem quite gleeful to see the "desperate vintners" struggling too.

    Are you delighted for all the people out of work or struggling with this?


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    #7378
    Arytonblue
    Registered Users Posts: 108 ✭✭Arytonblue


    ginoginelli wrote: »
    Same. Most people are just getting on with their lives. The outrage is mostly being whipped up by the mercentary media and the desperate vinters.

    Then the usual lunatics on social media are doing what they always do - staring at their screen all day, searching for the latest thing to moan about.

    Yeah brah, total moaners. They should just get on with their lives. What's that? Lost your job and out of work for over a year? Feeling desperate, lonely and spent over a year in perputual lockdowns leaving you at the end of your tether? Witnessing a spineless govt literally abdicate the desicion making of your country at a critical period that will have ramifications for years/ decades? Puuuuulease just get on with it, so much bitching and moaneing.

    The total insulation some people have on this situation is astounding. Sure why complain or give out about anything? Sure there's nothing we can do, best just say nothing and let it all play out, that always works sure.


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    #7379
    kennethsmyth
    Registered Users Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭kennethsmyth


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Maybe on here . In the real world most people are enjoying the summer and weather. Very few have even mentioned the indoor dining to me.

    Bull, unless you are a hermit most people I have met are very annoyed over the lack of indoor dining and it has now had the effect of some people cancelling "staycations" and either going abroad or booking up north.


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    #7380
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Hospitality is doing a roaring trade??
    Every hotel outside of Dublin is completely booked out to September. Many hotels have little or no availability this side of Xmas.

    Pubs and restaurants at the moment have a solid flow of customers in 7 nights a week.

    They're flying it for now, but we need a more sustainable strategy once flights reopen and especially when we get to the end of the summer.


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    #7381
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/pay-boost-for-higher-level-civil-and-public-service-staff-including-tds-1.4608071?mode=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

    NPHET & Government advisors giving themselves a pay rise. They’ve done a great job after all making up fake modelling scenarios & keeping businesses closed.
    Honestly what is the IQ level in Ireland? Must be extremely low. RTÉ trying to peddle a ‘scary’ Scotland situation & Euro outbreaks - so obviously trying to manipulate and deflect.

    Guess what, we can all travel North to see what it’s like to live Delta central. You can eat indoors, go to nightclubs & all is fine.


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