Sam Bennett - no same day spoilers

Macy0161 · 29-06-2021 09:28AM

I wonder is there the option of him moving early? It does happen occasionally. Anyway (as has been said) Lefevere effectively white walling him and then docking pay must be a legal case waiting to happen. Belgian employment law can't be that much in favour of the employer!

I'd also not begrudge Cav, but Lefevere will be very hard to take. It's still hard to see without more incidents though.

1bryan · 29-06-2021 09:30AM

Macy0161 wrote: »

I wonder is there the option of him moving early? It does happen occasionally. Anyway (as has been said) Lefevere effectively white walling him and then docking pay must be a legal case waiting to happen. Belgian employment law can't be that much in favour of the employer!

I'd also not begrudge Cav, but Lefevere will be very hard to take. It's still hard to see without more incidents though.

Rohan Dennis springs to mind. Can't remember if it was to or from BMC, and I never heard the details of how it came about (as in, was he bought out of his contract, or was it mutual agreement).

Macy0161 · 29-06-2021 09:33AM

1bryan wrote: »

Rohan Dennis springs to mind. Can't remember if it was to or from BMC, and I never heard the details of how it came about (as in, was he bought out of his contract, or was it mutual agreement).

To BMC, from Garmin/ Vaughters?

Thud · 29-06-2021 09:38AM

Can you imagine any other boss questioning his employees mental health issues in public, you'd think his lawyers would be warning him off saying this stuff.

That said Sam has a few years left at the top of his career so is unlikely to want to get buried in a court case. It might also impact his ability to get future contracts

Large bottle small glass · 29-06-2021 10:58AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I wouldn't begrudge Cav a win and I'd not be a huge fan of the guy over the years. You look at the run he's had over the last 3 years or so, face planting in a TT I think in the middle east, then recovers and hits a bollard in Millan San Remo, then was outside the time cut off halfway through the tour and the virus and trying to get any kind of legs after it.

The guy must have been rock bottom , some of the races he was at and him on tv getting dropped on relatively easy cat 3 or 4 climbs etc.

Putting aside our green hats and Cavendish's difficulty making friends over the years, I think he has been an inspiration in refusing to go away and fcuk off.

I was sure when he failed to make time cut in tour, maybe 3 years ago, that we wouldn't see him again; yet here he is. The best sprinter is out and he has a team built around Sam at his disposal.

I won't begrudge him for sure.

This comes to mind, which for a forum full of fat lads in lycra should be on point
"Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light"

CramCycle · 29-06-2021 12:06PM

Nothing against Cav but Morkov would be a better choice, leave Cav to follow Morkov if he wants but Morkov on his own has a more realistic chance at the green jersey or a stage win IMO

This isn't a dig at Cav, he is still a quality rider and proved he is still at World Tour level. This is a team decision, Lefevere is seeing more money in everyone talking about Cav and him doing nothing, than a few fans getting a good race and seeing Morkov go for it. It is actually shocking how much airtime Cav is getting. Great for him by the way, if it was me, I'd be loving it, it's all money in the bank for potential sponsors, TV and radio gigs etc.

1bryan · 29-06-2021 05:25PM

Macy0161 wrote: »

To BMC, from Garmin/ Vaughters?

yeah, that was it

https://www.velonews.com/news/road/rohan-dennis-switches-bmc-racing-effective-immediately/

happytramp · 30-06-2021 07:23AM

I wonder how Cav's win yesterday will effect things... It's been a massive success publicity wise for DQS, will this have softened Lefevere's stance on the issue.... I love things to get resolved to the point that Sam can ride the Vuelta.

Daroxtar · 30-06-2021 07:26AM

https://twitter.com/philgaimon/status/1409991355896451072?s=20

rtmie · 30-06-2021 08:11AM

rtmie wrote: »

TBH I'd be amazed to see Cav in the mix for any of the sprint stages at this stage of his career. Been out of it at this level for too long.

I reckon that's part of the reason for PLs ranting. He's picked a team totally around sprints/green jersey rather than punting on a run in yellow for alaphillippe and now knows he doesn't have the ammo.

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Finnrocco · 30-06-2021 11:49AM

Cavendish looks to have the form to win on the Champs.

And England look to have the draw to win the Euros!

Will we never be set free?

seaviewphotos · 30-06-2021 11:54AM

Finnrocco wrote: »

Cavendish looks to have the form to win on the Champs.

And England look to have the draw to win the Euros!

Will we never be set free?

Will he make it over the mountains, that's the question. If I remember right, Sam only barely made it last year and he's a better climber than Cav. England do have favourable draw but I can't see it.

Finnrocco · 30-06-2021 11:57AM

Its amazing how Cavendish came back from last season, I remember him struggling to even lead out his sprinter (think it was Bauhaus).

With Morkov guiding him and with Ewan, Sam, Ackermann, Kristoff not there, Alpecin not focussing on one sprinter, Van Aert not contesting, Demare not looking on form, Sagan & Matthews probably a bit past their best it looks like its wide open for him to win 2 or 3 more stages.

Depends of course on luck with crashes, surviving the mountains etc. but he looks to be as fast as any of the others.

breezy1985 · 30-06-2021 12:02PM

Finnrocco wrote: »

Its amazing how Cavendish came back from last season, I remember him struggling to even lead out his sprinter (think it was Bauhaus).

With Morkov guiding him and with Ewan, Sam, Ackermann, Kristoff not there, Alpecin not focussing on one sprinter, Van Aert not contesting, Demare not looking on form, Sagan & Matthews probably a bit past their best it looks like its wide open for him to win 2 or 3 more stages.

Depends of course on luck with crashes, surviving the mountains etc. but he looks to be as fast as any of the others.

The 3 big French sprinters should be ashamed of themselves if they can't get a win this year. Bouhanni at least came 2nd to Cavendish but the other 2 were nowhere in a very weak field by Tour standards

Edit: Sorry though I was on Tour not Sam thread

mr spuckler · 30-06-2021 12:04PM

seaviewphotos wrote: »

Will he make it over the mountains, that's the question. If I remember right, Sam only barely made it last year and he's a better climber than Cav. England do have favourable draw but I can't see it.

Wasn't last years parcours more brutal than this years? It's interesting that Cav has been targeting intermediate sprints too, maybe he just wanted to wear green but it also kind of hints at bigger picture?

Mefistofelino · 30-06-2021 12:36PM

If Cav makes it to Paris (possibly in green), that just reinforces my view that Lefevre had intended forcing this conflict all along and had Cav prepping for a three week tour in the background. Probably the worst part of my home-brewed conspiracy theory is it would have required Cav to be complicit in shafting Sam and I don't think Cav is that kind of guy.

Macy0161 · 30-06-2021 12:45PM

In fairness, I think Cav was prepping to get long term fitness anyway. I'd be surprised if Cav was involved, even if I wouldn't put it past Lefevre.

30-06-2021 01:08PM

Whats left this year in terms of racing for Sam? DQS seem to have a full sheet for La Vuelta. Thinking stuff like Poland, Bink Bank and Frankfurt maybe?

mr spuckler · 30-06-2021 01:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Whats left this year in terms of racing for Sam? DQS seem to have a full sheet for La Vuelta. Thinking stuff like Poland, Bink Bank and Frankfurt maybe?

They've already talked about Jakobsen for La Vuelta haven't they?

30-06-2021 01:16PM

mr spuckler wrote: »

They've already talked about Jakobsen for La Vuelta haven't they?

Yeah he's down on procyclingstats for it currently.

Daroxtar · 30-06-2021 01:28PM

Wouldn't be surprised to see Lefevere ostracize Sam for the remainder of the year and try some stunt with cutting his wages. If Sam has signed a decent contract with Bora he could just sit it out out and call Lefevre's bluff. It would be nigh on impossible to have civil relations with him after the mouthing off he's been at

Macy0161 · 30-06-2021 01:54PM

La Vuelta is normally the race where people moving are left out, even when relations are otherwise good!

odyssey06 · 30-06-2021 01:59PM

Daroxtar wrote: »

Wouldn't be surprised to see Lefevere ostracize Sam for the remainder of the year and try some stunt with cutting his wages. If Sam has signed a decent contract with Bora he could just sit it out out and call Lefevre's bluff. It would be nigh on impossible to have civil relations with him after the mouthing off he's been at

Have there been cases where guys have moved over earlier when contracts ending so they could race for the other team?
It would get Sam's wages off DQS books. But Bora would have to be v keen.

Fr D Maugire · 30-06-2021 02:31PM

Finnrocco wrote: »

Its amazing how Cavendish came back from last season, I remember him struggling to even lead out his sprinter (think it was Bauhaus).

With Morkov guiding him and with Ewan, Sam, Ackermann, Kristoff not there, Alpecin not focussing on one sprinter, Van Aert not contesting, Demare not looking on form, Sagan & Matthews probably a bit past their best it looks like its wide open for him to win 2 or 3 more stages.

Depends of course on luck with crashes, surviving the mountains etc. but he looks to be as fast as any of the others.

You missed Gronewegen and Jakobsen as well. Man this sprint field is poor, reminds me of the sprints in Cavs prime 08-11. Piss poor. Crazy to imagine what all the top guys in their pre-Covid form going against each other would have been like, I think Bennett might have had his work cut out to get a win.

30-06-2021 02:32PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Have there been cases where guys have moved over earlier when contracts ending so they could race for the other team?
It would get Sam's wages off DQS books. But Bora would have to be v keen.

Masnada joined DQS with time left to go on his contact but that situation was a little different in that it was known CCC were folding at the end of that year.

MPFGLB · 01-07-2021 05:30PM

Dont forget Andy Murray

MPFGLB · 01-07-2021 05:45PM

I am sorry I am spoiling the tennis

01-07-2021 11:42PM

Anyone see this weeks "the cycling show" on ES or GCN? Wonder how long ago the piece with Sam and Mick was filmed? Pre Tour of Belgium I'd guess.

Chivito550 · 02-07-2021 12:12AM

Can somebody explain briefly for those of us who only follow cycling casually, what's the whole back story behind Bennett of late, and his non participation in the Tour?

wirelessdude01 · 02-07-2021 05:47AM

Weepsie wrote: »

He injured his knee on a training ride.

His boss claims he's not injured, and it's an excuse.

That's about it

Also need to fill in the backstop about him supposedly leaving at the end of the season plus Paddy's outbursts about Sam's mental fortitude.

Sam Bennett - no same day spoilers

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