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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #9512
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    It’s very, very strange. If NPHET thought vaccine passports were a good idea they would surely have reccombded them a couple of months ago? Like other countries in Europe. How haven’t they made this recommendation sooner?


  • #9513
    M_Murphy57
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭M_Murphy57


    I see they've started trotting out the old "reopening of schools will be in jeopardy" now (as the so called tinfoil hatters predicted they would).

    So passively aggressively threatening families that they will cancel childrens education if anyone presses them for proof on what age cohorts these "2000 deaths in 2 months" will be seen in.

    I'm genuinely totally and utterly in shock here this morning. Not a single voice in government calling this bull**** out or asking why the models only project death on an unprecedented scale for pubs reopening but not for cinemas or crappy alcohol free events in the iveagh Gardens.

    Is Tony's anti alcohol agenda not plain as day to the world now? Why is there not a single TD saying stop?


  • #9514
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    M_Murphy57 wrote: »
    I see they've started trotting out the old "reopening of schools will be in jeopardy" now (as the so called tinfoil hatters predicted they would).

    So passively aggressively threatening families that they will cancel childrens education if anyone presses them for proof on what age cohorts these "2000 deaths in 2 months" will be seen in.

    I'm genuinely totally and utterly in shock here this morning. Not a single voice in government calling this bull**** out or asking why the models only project death on an unprecedented scale for pubs reopening but not for cinemas or crappy alcohol free events in the iveagh Gardens.

    Is Tony's anti alcohol agenda not plain as day to the world now? Why is there not a single TD saying stop?

    There is a FF one a few pages ago.

    Need more to stand up and ideally the opposition. It's too easy for the government to rollover right now. Its pathetic


  • #9515
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,272 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Is there a mailing list that goes to all TD’s?


  • #9516
    maxamillius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭maxamillius


    Apologies I’m sure this has been discussed before but I’m genuinely trying to weigh up the Actual benefits of getting this vaccine, I’m young fit and healthy. If I can still catch and spread covid after I have been vaccinated, what is the benefit?

    I’m not being sarcastic here, I’m trying to decide weather or not I want it.

    Thanks


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  • #9517
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Well it would appear some sort of stand was taken at the sub committee level with regards to the projections

    https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1409669036342865921?s=19

    This is deeply unfair to young people


  • #9518
    Hellrazer
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,013 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    pc7 wrote: »
    Is there a mailing list that goes to all TD’s?

    Ive one uploaded here.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=117491157&postcount=2019


  • #9519
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Unsurprisingly Shane Coleman on NT is backing the notion that the government can't go against NPHET's "stark" warning.

    He does say that given the vaccination programme though the NPHET will need to justify the analysis.... Like that's going to happen! :rolleyes:

    Most of the posters here knew that the next stage was going to be delayed after the noises over the last week or so, but the level of hysterical nonsense that our supposed expert advisory body have stooped to this time has caught everyone out.

    It's absolutely ridiculous that it's being accepted at face value and yet again it's businesses and the general public who lose out. No doubt this is only the first step to recommending the reimposition of harsher restrictions in the coming weeks as we get closer to August and the reopening of schools.


  • #9520
    KanyeSouthEast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,191 ✭✭✭KanyeSouthEast


    Northern Ireland pubs and restaurants have been open since late May? Has there been an increase in deaths and serious illness in the last month there? Let’s just keep this simple now.


  • #9521
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    maxamillius wrote: »
    Apologies I’m sure this has been discussed before but I’m genuinely trying to weigh up the Actual benefits of getting this vaccine, I’m young fit and healthy. If I can still catch and spread covid after I have been vaccinated, what is the benefit?

    I’m not being sarcastic here, I’m trying to decide weather or not I want it.

    Thanks

    I'm 45 and asked the same question last night as there's certainly no benefit to it in Ireland. Even fully vaccinated you're still subject to the same level of restrictions and rules as those who aren't.

    About the only benefit will be the option to get out of this country in the next few weeks from what I gather.

    That said, I would recommend you get it anyway - if only to save yourself the hassle when things do finally start to relax here.


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  • #9522
    Hellrazer
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,013 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Do nphet pull their modelling out of Tonys hole?

    700k infections - have they not looked?
    We havent had 700k infections in a year and a half of this pandemic. Where the **** do they get their figures?

    Its all a bit Sam McConkey with his 120k deaths at the start of this.....the amount of bull**** coming from Nphet is sheer madness.

    Said it earlier in this thread but now every pilot, hotelier, restaurant owner, travel agent, the RAI and the Vintners should get every member up to Dublin on Friday and lock the place down until the government grow a pair and open up. But it needs to be a massive protest,not a few hundred.


  • #9523
    M_Murphy57
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭M_Murphy57


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    Ive one uploaded here.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=117491157&postcount=2019
    Thanks


  • #9524
    Tork
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,606 ✭✭✭Tork


    maxamillius wrote: »
    Apologies I’m sure this has been discussed before but I’m genuinely trying to weigh up the Actual benefits of getting this vaccine, I’m young fit and healthy. If I can still catch and spread covid after I have been vaccinated, what is the benefit?

    I’m not being sarcastic here, I’m trying to decide weather or not I want it.

    Thanks

    Well, other than not being able to tell the difference between weather and whether?....


  • #9525
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    M_Murphy57 wrote: »
    I see they've started trotting out the old "reopening of schools will be in jeopardy" now (as the so called tinfoil hatters predicted they would).

    So passively aggressively threatening families that they will cancel childrens education if anyone presses them for proof on what age cohorts these "2000 deaths in 2 months" will be seen in.

    I'm genuinely totally and utterly in shock here this morning. Not a single voice in government calling this bull**** out or asking why the models only project death on an unprecedented scale for pubs reopening but not for cinemas or crappy alcohol free events in the iveagh Gardens.

    Is Tony's anti alcohol agenda not plain as day to the world now? Why is there not a single TD saying stop?
    Apart from the huge, somewhat alarming models, it will be of more concern if we don't get an actual date. The period of projection also seems to hint that NPHET will recommend it being extended again.
    The Cabinet meeting hasn't happened yet so no decisions have been made. The vaccinated only approach indoors is about the only wriggle room the government seems to have as they are not ready to thank NPHET for their services.


  • #9526
    Hellrazer
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,013 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    At least McConkey has revised his stance as time goes on. Tony is still stuck in March 2020.

    True - even he said yesterday we should open up.


  • #9527
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    True - even he said yesterday we should open up.

    You know how out of touch NPHET are when you find yourself agreeing with McConkey.


  • #9528
    20silkcut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Is it because our health service is so bad?

    Is that the reason for all this caution?

    It really must be absolutely chronic in comparison to other countries.


  • #9529
    Fils
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Fils


    We have a free health service, try out USA for a while.


  • #9530
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,132 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    Do nphet pull their modelling out of Tonys hole?

    700k infections - have they not looked?
    We havent had 700k infections in a year and a half of this pandemic. Where the **** do they get their figures?

    Its all a bit Sam McConkey with his 120k deaths at the start of this.....the amount of bull**** coming from Nphet is sheer madness.

    Said it earlier in this thread but now every pilot, hotelier, restaurant owner, travel agent, the RAI and the Vintners should get every member up to Dublin on Friday and lock the place down until the government grow a pair and open up. But it needs to be a massive protest,not a few hundred.

    Those restaurants and indoor pubs should just open on the 5th. It's beyond crazy now. The "emergency" is long over now and with it the draconian laws should be gone as well. 13 people in ICU and about the same again in hospital with this thing and they think they can keep the country under severe restrictions indefinitely.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #9531
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    True - even he said yesterday we should open up.

    Yes and his reasoning is if you are not one hundred percent going for zero-covid then you have to start living with it.

    Fair play to him - I’ve no time for zero-covid strategy and the idea should have been binned long ago, but at least he recognises that this half-ar*ed watered-down zero-covid is completely pointless except as a thought experiment. What an utter failure of a government we’ve been landed with.

    At least those living through the misery Ireland was under the chokehold of the church didn’t have easy access to the World outside. We get to watch helplessly as other governments make an effort to restore normal freedoms to their citizens.


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  • #9532
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    20silkcut wrote: »
    Is it because our health service is so bad?

    Is that the reason for all this caution?

    It must be absolutely chronic in comparison to other countries.

    There's several factors but ultimately it comes down to two..

    - the weakest Taoiseach we've had yet being led by an unelected civil servant with an ego problem

    - a culture of unaccountability and no consequences for those who are making these decisions. This also explains why our health service is so poor despite the 20 billion+ poured into it every year


  • #9533
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Fils wrote: »
    We have a free health service, try out USA for a while.

    Free? We pay 20 billion for it every year, and many people pay again for private healthcare because they can't rely on it in a crisis.

    It's only free if you have the time (often years) to wait for treatment.


  • #9534
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,132 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    There's several factors but ultimately it comes down to two..

    - the weakest Taoiseach we've had yet being led by an unelected civil servant with an ego problem

    - a culture of unaccountability and no consequences for those who are making these decisions. This also explains why our health service is so poor despite the 20 billion+ poured into it every year

    It also helps that the government are pumping serious money into all media at the moment in the form of "advertising" to help keep them on message.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #9535
    20silkcut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Fils wrote: »
    We have a free health service, try out USA for a while.

    But it appears to be badly restricting our freedom


  • #9536
    Kiith
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,405 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Haven't posted in here for a while, as i've been doing my absolute best to ignore the back and forth with most COVID news these days. Parents and anyone i know who are vulnerable are vaccinated, baby on the way, and we're happily getting on with our lives.

    But seeing this latest nonsense from NPHET just brought it all back, and really shows that they are on a completely different planet then regular people. 700k cases and 2k+ deaths? Where the **** did they pull this nonsense from? Why not look at other countries and generate their model on actual statistics? The UK just said their are removing all their restrictions on the 19th, and they are the ones being "decimated" by the Delta variant apparently. The hospitality industry is whats being decimated, and pushing it back another few weeks only makes things worse for them.

    This genuinely just seems like yet another attempt to terrify the public into accepting whatever mandate they "recommend". And our government is so weak they will do whatever they are told. Absolute nonsense yet again.


  • #9537
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,764 ✭✭✭plodder


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Unsurprisingly Shane Coleman on NT is backing the notion that the government can't go against NPHET's "stark" warning.
    Without any independent advice, they certainly can't.

    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1409751053042597891

    Although, it's up to government, to figure out if what NPHET are calling for is actually possible.


  • #9538
    M_Murphy57
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭M_Murphy57


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    There's several factors but ultimately it comes down to two..

    - the weakest Taoiseach we've had yet being led by an unelected civil servant with an ego problem

    - a culture of unaccountability and no consequences for those who are making these decisions. This also explains why our health service is so poor despite the 20 billion+ poured into it every year


    Don't forget a minister for health as arrogant and pig-headed as he is dim and miles out of his depth.


  • #9539
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    M_Murphy57 wrote: »
    Don't forget a minister for health as arrogant and pig-headed as he is dim and miles out of his depth.
    And yet he is the man who can dissolve NHPET! I see that #disbandNphet is trending on Twitter!


  • #9540
    Coraline Savory Scam
    Posts: 0 ✭ Coraline Savory Scam


    The headlines are fooking ridiculous today.

    "Dire Delta"

    Would you ever **** off with this crap. I've been tolerant enough in regards to restrictions up to this point.

    It's completely unnecessary.


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  • #9541
    agoodpunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭agoodpunt


    North opening fully 19th july can go live there or might be worth having a base for weekends


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