Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

28-06-2021 09:40PM

Tony Holohan must be basking in the glory of all the attention, him the focal point - yet again.

When you think about the struggling small business, it's enough to make you sick.

JRant · 28-06-2021 09:40PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

A few months....well thats not accurate especially with the NIAC advice

It's not far off in fairness. Even if they reduce AZ to 4 weeks it's probably going to take the guts of 6/8 weeks to get first doses and then another 6 to be "fully" vaccinated.

_Kaiser_ · 28-06-2021 09:41PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Essentially what NPHET are saying the vaccines don't work.

So why would anyone bother taking it then? It doesn't guarantee you your freedoms. They could come out with this **** again in a few months.

This is very true and a big problem that not enough people are challenging.

On Thursday I'm scheduled to get my second vaccination. 2 weeks after that I'll be fully immunised from all current variants...

.. but so what? I still can't go for an indoor meal or a pint, a gig or sporting event, a proper wedding or any other number of things. I'll also still be required to wear masks "just in case" :rolleyes:

What's the point?

growleaves · 28-06-2021 09:41PM

spockety wrote: »

Well, no, you can wait a few more weeks when it opens up to everyone and eat in a restaurant without telling anyone anything. Until then you can eat at home.

Did they say it would just be for a few weeks? In that case it wouldn't be a big deal I agree.

namloc1980 · 28-06-2021 09:41PM

spockety wrote: »

Well, no, you can wait a few more weeks when it opens up to everyone and eat in a restaurant without telling anyone anything. Until then you can eat at home.

When it opens? NPHET are predicting doomsday scenarios for January. They will not recommend opening anytime soon.

facehugger99 · 28-06-2021 09:41PM

People need to take to the streets.

Wrestling back control is the only way this ends.

Won’t happen though, the Irish are far too docile.

No other democracy would put up with this.

RoryMac · 28-06-2021 09:42PM

https://twitter.com/markmccormack86/status/1409606407423287298?s=19

Necro · 28-06-2021 09:42PM

That letter... wow. Just wow. I know they're modelling for worse case scenarios but that's like something George A. Romero would come up with for his new blockbuster, Night of the Living Dead

It's absolutely nuts.

jammiedodgers · 28-06-2021 09:42PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Yeah eamon Ryan and Simon coveney should start tearing strips off NPHET.

And yes the government should be more assertive but I’ve heard pearse Doherty follow the line of “not wanting to compromise the re opening so far” which isn’t any different to FF/FG/greens.

Someone wake Eamon up early from his nap, maybe he'll be cranky enough to kick up a fuss.

28-06-2021 09:43PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

This is very true and a big problem that not enough people are challenging.

On Thursday I'm scheduled to get my second vaccination. 2 weeks after that I'll be fully immunised from all current variants...

.. but so what? I still can't go for an indoor meal or a pint, a gig or sporting event, a proper wedding or any other number of things. I'll also still be required to wear masks "just in case" :rolleyes:

What's the point?

I'm in the exact same situation.

At first, we were sold the lie that vaccination was highly effective and therefore freedoms would be restored.

The former part was true: vaccinations are still highly effective.

But freedoms are not being restored. And NPHET are standing in the way.

I wonder why.

It clearly has nothing to do with egomaniacal power-hungry civil servants.

GooglePlus · 28-06-2021 09:44PM

RoryMac wrote: »

https://twitter.com/markmccormack86/status/1409606407423287298?s=19

Are the staff at much of a risk if all the customers are vaccinated?

Level 42 · 28-06-2021 09:46PM

eskimohunt wrote: »

The idea that the next 2 weeks will save a January-like peak in hospitalizations and deaths is the stupidest thing I have ever heard this year.

someone said the next 2 weeks are crucial

Level 42 · 28-06-2021 09:46PM

beaz2018 wrote: »

This country is so ****ed. Good night and god bless

another late late show

growleaves · 28-06-2021 09:47PM

I did tell yis that vaccines can't end restrictions, only people can.

It doesn't matter what the facts are per se because facts must be interpreted by someone in authority.

We can all interpret facts differently, as seen by any argument on boards.

facehugger99 · 28-06-2021 09:47PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

Are the staff at much of a risk if all the customers are vaccinated?

If the last 15 months have taught us anything, it’s that the level of risk must always be zero for everything.

Necro · 28-06-2021 09:47PM

eskimohunt wrote: »

I'm in the exact same situation.

At first, we were sold the lie that vaccination was highly effective and therefore freedoms would be restored.

The former part was true: vaccinations are still highly effective.

But freedoms are not being restored. And NPHET are standing in the way.

I wonder why.

It clearly has nothing to do with egomaniacal power-hungry civil servants.

I dunno. Like the letter is nonsense but NPHET are supposed to be an advisory committee at the end of the day.

I feel like the government are just frozen and crippled with fear of being held accountable for one of these doomsday scenarios

The whole point of governance is to balance risk with the impact on the economy and it just seems like they're completely paralysed with fear after what happened in January

EVEN though we have what, 40% fully vaxxed now and 65% with one dose?

Circa 300k vaccinated per week as well, picking up even more steam with the new NIAC advice.

It's just bizarre. And sad really.

RoryMac · 28-06-2021 09:48PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

Are the staff at much of a risk if all the customers are vaccinated?

Well if they're not why keep the restrictions?

ceadaoin. · 28-06-2021 09:48PM

Stheno wrote: »

This is like the infamous 9500 cases a day they predicted in March for July

Pretty much all the lockdowns everywhere were based off models that have been proven time and again to be completely inaccurate. They can pretty much feed it the info to get whatever result they want so that whatever they are suggesting is justified.

Itssoeasy · 28-06-2021 09:48PM

Well gents It’s been nice to pop back into this thread and forum but that’s me gone again because that letter from NPHET makes it clear that a July 5th reopening is gone for a burton so no point in worrying about something I can’t control.

ninebeanrows · 28-06-2021 09:48PM

It’s like choosing the most extreme outlier in a 1000 ensemble Probabilistic model and basing decisions in real life on it

It’s pretty much equiv of issuing a red weather warning every day in perpetuity, just in case

Weak weak weak

GooglePlus · 28-06-2021 09:48PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

If the last 15 months have taught us anything, it’s that the level of risk must always be zero for everything.

Well the government are the ones considering it, it was just some random on Twitter giving out.

28-06-2021 09:51PM

Necro wrote: »

EVEN though we have what, 40% fully vaxxed now and 65% with one dose?

Circa 300k vaccinated per week as well, picking up even more steam with the new NIAC advice.

It's just bizarre. And sad really.

True, their advice should never be ignored. But governance is, as you say, about more than just potential hospitalizations from one illness.

What's worse is that evidence from the UK does not translate into a wave of hospitalizations and deaths. Instead, it's more of a shallow ripple. More than the health service can cope with, in fact.

Why can't we at least copy the UK? Why can't we hold off on night clubs etc. until a later date?

Why does NPHET assume that Irish people are always at a higher risk of death than residents of the UK?

GooglePlus · 28-06-2021 09:51PM

RoryMac wrote: »

Well if they're not why keep the restrictions?

Which restrictions?

gozunda · 28-06-2021 09:51PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The Government have hitched their wagon to NPHET. “Following the advice” will be the mantra of every senior politician who will appear in front of the future tribunal which will be established in the coming years to examine how the country was bankrupted.

NPHET have been gerrymandered to give one single viewpoint. It is stuffed with single-issue, over-cautious, medical bureaucrats. There are no representatives of business, tourism, education, mental health or sociologists. The Government do not want a range of options being spat out of NPHET because then they would have to make a choice which they could be held accountable for. Round and round we go. We are now the most indebted nation in Europe and it’s growing every single day.

We are basically funding one of the most expensive arse-covering exercises in history.

I think you might find that the clue is in the name

National Public Health Emergency Team

Nphets remit from day one has been to advise on public health in relation to Covid. It is then up to the government to take into consideration of any business, tourism, education, mental health or social issues.

Interestingly Ireland had significant amount of debt long before Covid. And no country in Europe has avoided incurring significant additional debt over the last 18 months, Ireland included.

Stheno · 28-06-2021 09:52PM

Necro wrote: »

I dunno. Like the letter is nonsense but NPHET are supposed to be an advisory committee at the end of the day.

I feel like the government are just frozen and crippled with fear of being held accountable for one of these doomsday scenarios

The whole point of governance is to balance risk with the impact on the economy and it just seems like they're completely paralysed with fear after what happened in January

EVEN though we have what, 40% fully vaxxed now and 65% with one dose?

Circa 300k vaccinated per week as well, picking up even more steam with the new NIAC advice.

It's just bizarre. And sad really.

This. 100% this

Indestructable · 28-06-2021 09:53PM

This is cruel and borderline sadistic at this stage.

normanoffside · 28-06-2021 09:53PM

Necro wrote: »

That letter... wow. Just wow. I know they're modelling for worse case scenarios but that's like something George A. Romero would come up with

It's absolutely nuts.

Or George A. Lee

Necro · 28-06-2021 09:54PM

eskimohunt wrote: »

True, their advice should never be ignored. But governance is, as you say, about more than just potential hospitalizations from one illness.

What's worse is that evidence from the UK does not translate into a wave of hospitalizations and deaths. Instead, it's more of a shallow ripple. More than the health service can cope with, in fact.

Yeah exactly. We've been told for months that it's the hospitalizations and ICU numbers that matter and that is clearly and evidently the case based on the downward trend

But now we're firing the baby out with the bathwater at the first little hiccup on the road. I might actually throw something at my TV if Martin tells us 'the end is in sight' again tomorrow or whenever he makes his announcement.

28-06-2021 09:55PM

Indestructable wrote: »

This is cruel and borderline sadistic at this stage.

Mice in a cage, with Tony Holohan breathing down our necks.

It's a nightmare scene only Stanley Kubrick could have summoned.

funnydoggy · 28-06-2021 09:56PM

Necro wrote: »

Yeah exactly. We've been told for months that it's the hospitalizations and ICU numbers that matter and that is clearly and evidently the case based on the downward trend

But now we're firing the baby out with the bathwater at the first little hiccup on the road. I might actually throw something at my TV if Martin tells us 'the end is in sight' again tomorrow or whenever he makes his announcement.

What are the chances he'll use the "it's like a new virus" bullshít again..

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings