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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #6302
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,732 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Stheno wrote: »
    Where did you see that?

    Virgin Media News just heard part so may have picked up wrong

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • #6303
    gral6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭gral6


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    That they are wrong again?

    No, NPHET are always correct! Especially when it comes to snakes oil.


  • #6304
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,709 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    gral6 wrote: »
    RTE said that some of NPHETs modelling are very pessimistic. It tells you already a lot.

    Jesus wait til they see the modelling for the future of hospitality in many parts of Ireland. It’ll make the Delta “modelling” look optimistic

    Hopefully they’ve recalibrated their modelling from when they projected 9500 cases per day this summer.


  • #6305
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,599 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    gral6 wrote: »
    No, NPHET are always correct! Especially when it comes to snakes oil.

    They were right in December
    When People were saving the Exact same things

    Yes we should be re-allowing indoor dining with how things stand.

    But NpHET have been on the money almost every time


  • #6306
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    They were right in December
    When People were saving the Exact same things

    Yes we should be re-allowing indoor dining with how things stand.

    But NpHET have been on the money almost every time

    Their projections at Christmas were wildly off the mark


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  • #6307
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    From RTE :

    “”Some of the modelling projections carried out by NPHET around the Delta variant are described as being "pessimistic".

    Earlier the Tánaiste has said the final decision on whether the next stage of reopening will go ahead as planned next Monday or not will be made tomorrow, but also said it would be "very difficult and unlikely" that the Government would go against the advice of NPHET.“”

    I’d say we can probably forget about EU travel from the 19th of July too. Those kites will be flown next week. Just wait….


  • #6308
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    They were right in December
    When People were saving the Exact same things

    Yes we should be re-allowing indoor dining with how things stand.

    But NpHET have been on the money almost every time

    Dont need to be a doctor to know that their would be a flu season in Winter.

    And let us not forget this beauty (before Delta was ever heard of)

    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1377275983535951875


  • #6309
    jakiah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭jakiah


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    They were right in December
    Nope, they were wrong in December. Vastly underestimated the case numbers.


  • #6310
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Another soundbite:

    “Leo said that if a more prolonged delay is necessary, it might make sense to make an exception for fully vaccinated people to gather indoors and this would also encourage people to continue vaccination.””

    “ He said the decision was "still very much up in the air"


  • #6311
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,343 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    From RTE :

    “”Some of the modelling projections carried out by NPHET around the Delta variant are described as being "pessimistic".

    Earlier the Tánaiste has said the final decision on whether the next stage of reopening will go ahead as planned next Monday or not will be made tomorrow, but also said it would be "very difficult and unlikely" that the Government would go against the advice of NPHET.“”

    I’d say we can probably forget about EU travel from the 19th of July too. Those kites will be flown next week. Just wait….

    They’re signed up to the EU digital cert. Aer Lingus & even Ryanair could get into serious trouble or in the case of Aer Lingus, go bust. Many hundreds of thousand of jobs would be lost in the industry. While the workers would be put on PUP further bankrupting our country. Doesn’t make any sense to not implement the Covid Digital cert IMO - it’s a safe & effective way to travel and we cannot afford not to.
    That’s not to say what will happen as NPHET & Government are quite frankly behaving like terrified rabbits in headlights over nothing.


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  • #6312
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    This is all so incredibly frustrating.


  • #6313
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,470 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Another soundbite:

    “Leo said that if a more prolonged delay is necessary, it might make sense to make an exception for fully vaccinated people to gather indoors and this would also encourage people to continue vaccination.””

    “ He said the decision was "still very much up in the air"

    We've all seen the quotes, he then said it was a highly unlikely situation and even this evening journalists saying its not in the discussion


  • #6314
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,629 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Sorry but what purpose does NPHET serve right now? They were useful when we had no vaccinations and how to distance ourselves.

    Now? Now they just don't want us drinking in pubs


  • #6315
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,470 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    From RTE :

    “”Some of the modelling projections carried out by NPHET around the Delta variant are described as being "pessimistic".

    Earlier the Tánaiste has said the final decision on whether the next stage of reopening will go ahead as planned next Monday or not will be made tomorrow, but also said it would be "very difficult and unlikely" that the Government would go against the advice of NPHET.“”

    I’d say we can probably forget about EU travel from the 19th of July too. Those kites will be flown next week. Just wait….

    Travel can if they want be pushed out to 6 weeks from July 1st, they've got the wiggle room from the EU if they wanted it


  • #6316
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,032 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Vicxas wrote: »
    Sorry but what purpose does NPHET serve right now?

    Their own, quite clearly.


  • #6317
    gral6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭gral6


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Another soundbite:

    “Leo said that if a more prolonged delay is necessary, it might make sense to make an exception for fully vaccinated people to gather indoors and this would also encourage people to continue vaccination.””

    “ He said the decision was "still very much up in the air"


    So, international travel and indoor dining only for fully vaccinated people then? Septic staff...


  • #6318
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Travel can if they want be pushed out to 6 weeks from July 1st, they've got the wiggle room from the EU if they wanted it

    So if Tony still doesn’t like the idea of travel when the 6 weeks are up ( bear in mind Leo says they won’t go against Tony’s advice) the government will have no choice but to let people travel quarantine free if they meet the certs conditions because they signed it?


  • #6319
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,470 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    So if Tony still doesn’t like the idea of travel when the 6 weeks are up ( bear in mind Leo says they won’t go against Tony’s advice) the government will have no choice but to let people travel quarantine free if they meet the certs conditions because they signed it?

    We're signed up to the digital cert. It goes live on the 1st July and all countries have a period of grace of 6 weeks to implement


  • #6320
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    From RTE :

    “”Some of the modelling projections carried out by NPHET around the Delta variant are described as being "pessimistic".

    Earlier the Tánaiste has said the final decision on whether the next stage of reopening will go ahead as planned next Monday or not will be made tomorrow, but also said it would be "very difficult and unlikely" that the Government would go against the advice of NPHET.“”

    I’d say we can probably forget about EU travel from the 19th of July too. Those kites will be flown next week. Just wait….

    Pathetic stuff. Every adult who wants a vaccine will have one dose in less than 2 months and everyone over 30 will have 2. Every adult who wants a vaccine will have both doses in less than 3 months.

    We have way less cases currently than what NPHET projected and they were happy at the time of opening up previously with those projections but now for some reason where we might get closer to their projections they want us to delay reopening. They told us a week ago we had 20% delta variant here and yet here we are cases having barely increased if at all.


  • #6321
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    We're signed up to the digital cert. It goes live on the 1st July and all countries have a period of grace of 6 weeks to implement

    Amazed they got that past Tony


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  • #6322
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    They were right in December
    When People were saving the Exact same things

    Yes we should be re-allowing indoor dining with how things stand.

    But NpHET have been on the money almost every time
    At Christmas, they said one or the other, retail or hospitality, and no they haven't been on the money every time. They were way out on the Christmas surge and the case levels up to Christmas, never mind how they chose to view themselves in Irish society, at times.
    Largely in the ballpark is a more accurate description and they regularly ducked behind the public "being ahead of us" as a justification for targets not turning out to be as bad as predicted. Yet, it never became a variable in their projections. I'd give them a B+ on performance with an occasional C- on communications.


  • #6323
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    So if Tony still doesn’t like the idea of travel when the 6 weeks are up ( bear in mind Leo says they won’t go against Tony’s advice) the government will have no choice but to let people travel quarantine free if they meet the certs conditions because they signed it?
    The UK approach has had a huge bearing on what we do and we have followed them for a good few months. That they are now looking at July 19th is a strong hint how some of NPHET are thinking. Adding in the comments about how many more vaccinations we can do in three weeks the decision does seem to be leaning that way. Whether the 49 in hospitals and the 13 in ICU offset that inclination remains to be seen but as has been pointed out earlier in the thread there is still quite a lot of popular support for the very cautious approach.


  • #6324
    jakiah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭jakiah


    is_that_so wrote: »
    The UK approach has had a huge bearing on what we do and we have followed them for a good few months. That they are now looking at July 19th is a strong hint how some of NPHET are thinking. Add in the comments about how many more vaccines we can do in three weeks the decision does seem to be leaning that way. Whether the 49 in hospitals and the 13 in ICU offset that inclination remains to be seen but as has been pointed out earlier in the thread there is still quite a lot of support for the very cautious approach.
    You think NPHET are looking at removing all Covid restrictions here on July 19th?


  • #6325
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    is_that_so wrote: »
    The UK approach has had a huge bearing on what we do and we have followed them for a good few months. That they are now looking at July 19th is a strong hint how some of NPHET are thinking. Adding in the comments about how many more vaccinations we can do in three weeks the decision does seem to be leaning that way. Whether the 49 in hospitals and the 13 in ICU offset that inclination remains to be seen but as has been pointed out earlier in the thread there is still quite a lot of popular support for the very cautious approach.

    Following the UK' is not without some merit. Given that there is no point continuing the status quo once completely unfettered Brits come over the border, another 2 weeks just to get some more shots into arms is probably a defensible stance.

    It's the end game now though, for sure. 3 weeks to go.


  • #6326
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    jakiah wrote: »
    You think NPHET are looking at removing all Covid restrictions here on July 19th?
    Not actually up to them, but they have a problem if recommending just extending it through the summer is their plan. Lifting all restrictions will not happen for a good while yet. We'll need to get close to that 70% fully vaccinated.


  • #6327
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Following the UK' is not without some merit. Given that there is no point continuing the status quo once completely unfettered Brits come over the border, another 2 weeks just to get some more shots into arms is probably a defensible stance.

    It's the end game now though, for sure. 3 weeks to go.
    It and it isn't a defence but how many shots is enough shots?


  • #6328
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,816 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/singapores-surprising-new-plan-to-live-with-covid-revealed/news-story/52fa2c29252daeb4a3c634e1658f6901

    Interesting plan from Singapore on how they will go forward in the next few months.


  • #6329
    jakiah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭jakiah


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Not actually up to them, but they have a problem if it's just extending it through summer is their plan. Lifting all restrictions will not happen for a good while yet. We'll need to get close to that 70% fully vaccinated.
    I dont follow you, what is the 'strong hint about how they are thinking' you refer to?


  • #6330
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    snotboogie wrote: »
    https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/singapores-surprising-new-plan-to-live-with-covid-revealed/news-story/52fa2c29252daeb4a3c634e1658f6901

    Interesting plan from Singapore on how they will go forward in the next few months.
    Well, they are at under 50% in vaccinations and they can see how Europe and the US are doing so it's not all that surprising.


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  • #6331
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    jakiah wrote: »
    I dont follow you, what is the 'strong hint about how they are thinking' you refer to?
    Following the UK.


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