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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #6122
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,609 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    ZX7R wrote: »
    Same as you based your counter argument on, family friends ect

    I don't know anyone who is vaccinated that has any concerns about delta, or covid for that matter, they just want to move on, living is a risk


  • #6123
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    ZX7R wrote: »
    Same as you based your counter argument on, family friends ect

    You mean your family and friends in older age group are afraid of the delta variant despite being fully vaccinated . ? Thats sad really as they have no benefit at all from the vaccine so if still afraid


  • #6124
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    I don't know anyone who is vaccinated that has any concerns about delta, or covid for that matter, they just want to move on, living is a risk

    All my neighbours , friends , siblings etc are fully vaccinated and delighted eating out and meeting up . I personally cant wait to go away for a break and enjoy dining indoors or outdoors .


  • #6125
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Stheno wrote: »
    Why not open indoors for vaccinated people?

    How do you prove you are vaccinated? Those cards are easily copied. Not going to work anyway, nightmare for pubs and nothing to stop them letting anyone in


  • #6126
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    As good an option as any.

    Probably need a vaccine passport system before we do that though.

    I hate the idea of a bonus for vaccinated people when large sections of society don't have an option to be vaccinated.

    I'd hope they'd expand the rollout of j and j at least to the under 50s via pharmacies if people want it


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  • #6127
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    You mean your family and friends in older age group are afraid of the delta variant despite being fully vaccinated . ? Thats sad really as they have no benefit at all from the vaccine so if still afraid

    Yes it is sad,but first thing my mother told me on the phone was there is a 20% increase of delta variant cases, tried to explain what the numbers actually mean but,unfortunately her age group and friends just listen to rte


  • #6128
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,356 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Paddy Mallon reckons delaying hospitality by 2 weeks won't stop the rise in cases

    https://twitter.com/SiCarswell/status/1409116072729616392?s=19


  • #6129
    km79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,519 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Stheno wrote: »
    I'd hope they'd expand the rollout of j and j at least to the under 50s via pharmacies if people want it

    I think this will happen

    The majority of over 50s who are not vaccinated have not received it by choice . Most will not go to pharmacy to get it .
    So it’s time to open them up to whomever wants it


  • #6130
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,125 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    I heard a suggestion recently. What about very small scale indoor reopening. Let a restaurant have 10 people inside.

    Its not worth it for any restaurant currently closed to justify opening but would allow anywhere partially open add a few very spread out seats.
    The USA have reopened indoor dining from at least May 1st. We aren’t that far behind them on overall vaccination levels at this point (we were on May 1st)
    They have different occupancy restrictions in various states (50%, 75%)

    No reason why we can’t do similar. Indoor dining/pubs at 50% occupancy.
    If they want to be cautious start at 25% and work upwards over a month.


  • #6131
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,093 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Personally would sacrifice international travel reopening if it means we can open up society here


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  • #6132
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Personally would sacrifice international travel reopening if it means we can open up society here

    The travel cert is going ahead. It’s good to see. No reason why. Thousands getting jabbed everyday. Families finally get reunited.


  • #6133
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Personally would sacrifice international travel reopening if it means we can open up society here

    At least with international travel, you have a very good idea if the person sitting next to you is vaccinated, negative test or recovered.


  • #6134
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Personally would sacrifice international travel reopening if it means we can open up society here

    So so many hoping to travel to see their children and grandchildren who they haven’t seen in 18 months . I wouldn’t be too quick to sacrifice it


  • #6135
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    It’s actually quite disconcerting to see how many people are fine with keeping pubs closed for another 2-3 weeks like it’s nothing. If you remember pre-Covid times, how much of a palaver there was every year re pubs opening up for Good Friday - for ONE DAY - and how much they lobbied to open, how much extra money it would generate for the exchequer, etc. Now imagine, many of same businesses have been closed since March 2020. These 3 weeks are the equivalent of 21 Good Fridays.


  • #6136
    PowerToWait
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    You know it actually wont - the sheer amount of people Ive spoken to who are absolutely terrified of delta is scary -all because they are RTE watchers - I would say mainly in the 50 - 65 age group.


    The ‘sheer amount’? They are ‘absolutely terrified’? How many, roughly, would you be talking to about their deepest fears, on an average day? Would it be 20 or 30, probably more like 50 if it’s a ‘sheer amount’ type of number.

    In contrast to your experiences I’ve been out drinking several times since beginning of the month with people in their 50s and, would you credit it, Covid barely got a mention! Perhaps they were simply putting a brave face on it and secretly they were ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIED BECAUSE OF RTÉ.

    My old man in in his 80s and couldn’t give 1 fūck about Delta. Nor could any of his mates, at least not that I hear anyway.

    Who are you talking to?


  • #6137
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,926 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    ednwireland wrote: »
    interesting article on brendan o Connors show talking about the damage lockdown has done to older people. gp saying they are seeing a huge increase in breakage, osteoporosis and general fragility. we need to get moving !

    Exercise within 5km was always allowed, even during the strictest lockdown. My mum is in her mid eighties and could still go for a daily walk with a friend, right through lockdown.

    Ther may have needed to be reassured that they could coccoon and still get out for exercise but there was no need to stop moving.


  • #6138
    beaz2018
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭beaz2018


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Personally would sacrifice international travel reopening if it means we can open up society here

    Thats nice for you. There are people who havent seen close family in 2 years at this point. Skme low paid foreign workers in this country havent seen their own kids in a long time as they continie to be locked up in this country. Did that cross your mind?


  • #6139
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FuzzyThinking wrote: »
    Seems because there's some terror of discrimination here that will result in a lowest common denominator, anti vaxxer or privacy of data lobby, that's seeing any kind of ID type systems as a total anathema, driving the agenda in much of Europe and resulting in huge damage to business and no return to normality.

    There should be a vaccine bonus in the sense that you should be able to do more stuff. Instead, we seem to have no plan and just won't open things at all until the virus completely disappears, which it may never do.

    We need to begin to let those vaccinated do more.

    At the point where anyone who wants to be vaccinated can be, I think the argument that it's unfair is gone. That's where we'll be soon enough.

    At the moment you'd have uproar from the <35s as they have been offered one yet, but we also need to keep things flowing economically and there are plenty fully vaccinated who could be doing things and that will keep expanding down the age range.

    Or everyone could be free to exercise their inalienable rights, all of which have been suspended since March 2020, regardless of whether they take a vaccine or not.


  • #6140
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    FishOnABike wrote: »
    Exercise within 5km was always allowed, even during the strictest lockdown. My mum is in her mid eighties and could still go for a daily walk with a friend, right through lockdown.

    Ther may have needed to be reassured that they could coccoon and still get out for exercise but there was no need to stop moving.

    Your forgetting about the older who required home help or physio to stay active.
    This was all curtailed for nearly a year.


  • #6141
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,075 ✭✭✭political analyst


    There is a map of Europe being shared on Facebook and depicting the Republic of Ireland in red and the rest of Europe in green because of our government's ban on indoor-dining (except for residents of hotels).

    Is our country the only one that has such a ban? If it is, why? After all, this is not the only European country with a high level of cases of the Delta variant.


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  • #6142
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    giveitholly wrote: »
    Paddy Mallon reckons delaying hospitality by 2 weeks won't stop the rise in cases

    https://twitter.com/SiCarswell/status/1409116072729616392?s=19

    Thatll be the last time we'll hear from Paddy Mallon on RTE I'd say. Not enough doom and fear.


  • #6143
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Surely an error in the Data Hub today - currently saying zero cases in ICU?

    https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com


  • #6144
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    :p

    Debt of €45,000 per person so far and rising. One of the highest in the world and we're going to unnecccesarily add to this further by pushing back reopening. But that's OK, Tony and Michael will have left the stage by then and won't worry them a wink.


  • #6145
    agoodpunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭agoodpunt


    https://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/delta-variant-delay

    Majority will accept anything we have always been to cautious and compliant


  • #6146
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Here's a mad idea, its called personal responsibility. Lets open up ta **** on July 5th as was planned. If you're worried or vulnerable don't go into these indoor establishments, but lets face it, if you're worried or vulnerable you're more than likely or certainly very close to being fully vaccinated already, let the rest of us get on with our lives.
    What the hell has this country become :mad:


  • #6147
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,605 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Really can't see July 5th happening at this stage. Always the same drip feed through the media before it's confirmed.


  • #6148
    Experience_day
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭Experience_day


    This country is a joke. I'm actually so glad I don't live here any more. Going by thread title, 0.1% of the population died despite 5.2% of the population contracting it (and obviously a lot higher due to asymptomatic people, no rigorous testing for months at the start) and it's like a prison camp. Hearing the stories from the lads at home is just wtf territory.


  • #6149
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,446 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    Surely an error in the Data Hub today - currently saying zero cases in ICU?

    https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com

    Surely a mistake?? If not then….. I’ve no words after that


  • #6150
    PatrickDoherty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 190 ✭✭PatrickDoherty


    I would happily support any indoor dining or pub that decides to reopen on the 5th, credit to anyone that has the balls to stick to them.


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  • #6151
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 229 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Surely a mistake?? If not then….. I’ve no words after that

    Definitely a mistake. It says updated 01/01/1970???


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