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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #5882
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Very good article and talks sense

    https://twitter.com/irishtimesoped/status/1408489092455751687?s=21

    Great article. The young are and will continue to bear the brunt of this for years to come. Some of the media were very slow to come around what's happening here. It feels like it's too little too late at this stage unfortunately.


  • #5883
    shockframe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭shockframe


    Klonker wrote: »
    Great article. The young are and will continue to bear the brunt of this for years to come. Some of the media were very slow to come around what's happening here. It feels like it's too little too late at this stage unfortunately.


    Can't be true.

    I mean it's not like all these restrictions have any effect on trivial matters like media manipulation, hidden alcohol/drug addictions,bankruptcies, billions and billions of national debt, a place to do business, the social fabric, domestic violence, mental health etc. eh?


  • #5884
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Very good article and talks sense

    https://twitter.com/irishtimesoped/status/1408489092455751687?s=21

    68% of over 65's said that life should not go back to normal after most people are vaccinated!


  • #5885
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 895 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    snotboogie wrote: »
    68% of over 65's said that life should not go back to normal after most people are vaccinated!

    What do they actually want? To live in a perpetual state of fear?

    Great line in there too - “ Have the vaccinated over-60s a right to deprive people in their 20s and 30s of a social life for another summer?”.


  • #5886
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 895 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This also seems to be the most sensible sentence I’ve heard spoken during the pandemic from that IT op.

    “Those who feel they are vulnerable to the virus can make their own choices about who, if anybody, they want to meet, where they want to go and where to avoid.”


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  • #5887
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,278 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    What are you on about? It was a European Council meeting, of course European values were top of the agenda. Did you expect all the member states to crowd around Micheál and listen to the woes of the Irish for the entirety of the sitting?

    I don't think anyone expects that at all. What would be nice is if MM the good little European could tottle back over here and start practicing some of those core European values that he clearly holds so dearly.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #5888
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    prunudo wrote: »
    Lets see how that mood is in 2 weeks time when people realise their staycation is a waste of money as everywhere is still closed.

    Won't matter, unfortunately, because the fundamental problem is, and will continue to be, the absence of opposition. In the US there is a political party for one half of the country and a political party for the other half. People have a voice in the two political parties. In Ireland there's no possibility or way for people to express opposition to what's going on.


  • #5889
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    24 to 30 hours. A few I know recently had their results back within 26 hours .
    Hope she is ok .

    Negative :) 31 hours test-to-result, not terrible.


  • #5890
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    What are you on about? It was a European Council meeting, of course European values were top of the agenda. Did you expect all the member states to crowd around Micheál and listen to the woes of the Irish for the entirety of the sitting?

    European values were top of an agenda? Not the shredding of social fabrics europe wide? Not the decimation of economies, the destruction of small and family businesses?...oohhh our values..the old if we stand for nothing we will fall for everything type jargon..i dont care if they were societal, Ethical, moral or principal values, he needs to taking care of business here and leading. You were obviously front and centre with you "go europe" pink pom poms drooling at 6pm for your man crush yea?


  • #5891
    Necro
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 57,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Can we please stay on topic folks, if you want to discuss politics there's a forum dedicated to that

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling, State Benefits



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  • #5892
    blackcard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,389 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Klonker wrote: »
    Great article. The young are and will continue to bear the brunt of this for years to come. Some of the media were very slow to come around what's happening here. It feels like it's too little too late at this stage unfortunately.

    Seriously!! I would say that many have borne the brunt of this. The vast majority of deaths, isolation, fear for their lives, has occurred amongst . the elderly. Business owners, predominantly middle aged, having spent a lifetime growing their business, are struggling to survive. A lot of mortgage holders are in desperate straits. Workers fear that they will not have jobs to return to. Obviously there is a great toll on the young but to say that they are bearing the brunt is incorrect. This is widespread. And it is not like the Celtic Tiger years where some people were greedy. The person who has worked honestly and diligently are fearful about the future. To suggest that it is the young who are bearing the brunt of the burden is nonsensical


  • #5893
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    What do they actually want? To live in a perpetual state of fear?

    Great line in there too - “ Have the vaccinated over-60s a right to deprive people in their 20s and 30s of a social life for another summer?”.

    They don't care. They have their pensions and don't need to worry. Same as everyone who still has their jobs. Doesn't effect them so stay in lockdown for as long as it takes.

    Country is run for such people.


  • #5894
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    snotboogie wrote: »
    68% of over 65's said that life should not go back to normal after most people are vaccinated!

    I often wonder what is the life status of those in support of ongoing restrictions

    I really struggle to believe it’s concern for others


  • #5895
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    blackcard wrote: »
    Seriously!! I would say that many have borne the brunt of this. The vast majority of deaths, isolation, fear for their lives, has occurred amongst . the elderly. Business owners, predominantly middle aged, having spent a lifetime growing their business, are struggling to survive. A lot of mortgage holders are in desperate straits. Workers fear that they will not have jobs to return to. Obviously there is a great toll on the young but to say that they are bearing the brunt is incorrect. This is widespread. And it is not like the Celtic Tiger years where some people were greedy. The person who has worked honestly and diligently are fearful about the future. To suggest that it is the young who are bearing the brunt of the burden is nonsensical

    It’s not nonsensical

    Realistically the young are those not yet partnered up or set up with houses,

    Those over 50 (who are miking up the rules) won’t suffer nearly as much loss of opportunities as the next generation and are happily settled

    And mostly vaccinated :pac:


  • #5896
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    blackcard wrote: »
    Seriously!! I would say that many have borne the brunt of this. The vast majority of deaths, isolation, fear for their lives, has occurred amongst . the elderly. Business owners, predominantly middle aged, having spent a lifetime growing their business, are struggling to survive. A lot of mortgage holders are in desperate straits. Workers fear that they will not have jobs to return to. Obviously there is a great toll on the young but to say that they are bearing the brunt is incorrect. This is widespread. And it is not like the Celtic Tiger years where some people were greedy. The person who has worked honestly and diligently are fearful about the future. To suggest that it is the young who are bearing the brunt of the burden is nonsensical

    They are the ones who are missing out on school, college, have huge unemployment rates in under 30s. They will be the ones paying back the biggest proportion of this debt in years to come, that have had huge curbs to their social lives like going to nightclubs that the rest of us got to experience. And all for a virus that has little effect on them in vast majority of cases. I do feel for all in this pandemic but not all are sacrificing the same.


  • #5897
    Bit cynical
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Bit cynical


    The country is generally run by and for people whose relative position is for the most part improved by continued restrictions and lockdowns. I say relative because overall the country is going downhill. However if you are a homeowner, your position relative to non-homeowners has improved. If you are in a permanent defined-benefit pensionable job, your position relative to a casual worker has improved. It's not sustainable and at some point these people will need to take a hit (there will be a lot of protest) but this is the situation as it stands.


  • #5898
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Klonker wrote: »
    They are the ones who are missing out on school, college, have huge unemployment rates in under 30s. They will be the ones paying back the biggest proportion of this debt in years to come, that have had huge curbs to their social lives like going to nightclubs that the rest of us got to experience. And all for a virus that has little effect on them in vast majority of cases. I do feel for all in this pandemic but not all are sacrificing the same.

    Absolutely not

    The young are sacrificing a lot to save others

    Others are sacrificing a bit to save themselves


  • #5899
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,070 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Deleted User wrote: »
    This also seems to be the most sensible sentence I’ve heard spoken during the pandemic from that IT op.

    “Those who feel they are vulnerable to the virus can make their own choices about who, if anybody, they want to meet, where they want to go and where to avoid.”

    If allowing people to make their own choices was viable during this pandemic there wouldn’t have been a need for a single restriction.... they could have published. ’ advice ‘

    People who have NO vulnerability don’t want to contract COVID...people without vulnerability don’t want to get sick or pass it on to anybody else, vulnerable or not....


  • #5900
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Vulnerable people are vaccinated. Why would they want the lockdown to go on of vaccinated.

    I feel like everyone has gone mad. There are currently less then 50 people in hospital and they are talking about not opening restaurants.

    It's insane.


  • #5901
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Vulnerable people are vaccinated. Why would they want the lockdown to go on of vaccinated.

    I feel like everyone has gone mad. There are currently less then 50 people in hospital and they are talking about not opening restaurants.

    It's insane.

    There's a difference between a single dose and 2 doses.
    We still have HCW's waiting on a second dose of AZ, our 60-69 waiting on a second dose, some 60k of cohort 4 (extremely at risk) waiting a second jab (a total of about 650k).
    The HSE seem to have been prioritizing those second jabs the past week (depending on supplies) so it could be close to 2 thirds that figure remaining. But just because you know a 30/40 year old with no underlying conditions who got their second jab a few weeks ago, does not mean our most vulnerable are fully protected.


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  • #5902
    Necro
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 57,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    There's a difference between a single dose and 2 doses.
    We still have HCW's waiting on a second dose of AZ, our 60-69 waiting on a second dose, some 60k of cohort 4 (extremely at risk) waiting a second jab (a total of about 650k).
    The HSE seem to have been prioritizing those second jabs the past week (depending on supplies) so it could be close to 2 thirds that figure remaining. But just because you know a 30/40 year old with no underlying conditions who got their second jab a few weeks ago, does not mean our most vulnerable are fully protected.

    Both my parents got their second jab today so it does seem to be a priority alright.

    My Aunt also got hers, they were a day apart each for initial jab (Aunt on Sunday, Dad Monday and Mum Tuesday) and only a few hours between them for second one today.

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling, State Benefits



  • #5903
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Necro wrote: »
    Both my parents got their second jab today so it does seem to be a priority alright.

    My Aunt also got hers, they were a day apart each for initial jab (Aunt on Sunday, Dad Monday and Mum Tuesday) and only a few hours between them for second one today.

    Citywest have been doing AZ for the past 7 days (normally it would be a day here or there), looks like they will be switching to Pfizer from Monday (could be down to AZ supply). But it's what was causing a big delay in 40+ group in South Dublin. Priority was second jabs of AZ.

    It could very well be that the HSE are busting their arses to get AZ second doses done ASAP so come July 5th, more will be protected etc...


  • #5904
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,878 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Was in The Mills pub in Ballyvourney, Co. Cork tonight. The local football team won their match and came into the pub for drinks afterwards, place was packed to the rafters. Rightly or wrongly, it was nice to experience some normality for the night.


  • #5905
    agoodpunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭agoodpunt


    fair play to ye, Dr Hou wont be happy


  • #5906
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    There's a difference between a single dose and 2 doses.
    We still have HCW's waiting on a second dose of AZ, our 60-69 waiting on a second dose, some 60k of cohort 4 (extremely at risk) waiting a second jab (a total of about 650k).
    The HSE seem to have been prioritizing those second jabs the past week (depending on supplies) so it could be close to 2 thirds that figure remaining. But just because you know a 30/40 year old with no underlying conditions who got their second jab a few weeks ago, does not mean our most vulnerable are fully protected.

    They can lay low for awhile if they really want.
    We need to stop acting like snowflakes at this point.


  • #5907
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    They can lay low for awhile if they really want.
    We need to stop acting like snowflakes at this point.

    It’s scary to see how people’s ideas of what is proportional have been skewed. It was never supposed to be to stop anyone getting sick, it was all to flatten the curve. It’s turned into a monster at this stage, where people seem to want to keep restrictions so no-one ever gets sick. Not giving a damn about those who will get sick in the future and won’t get treatment because we pissed billions away on Perspex screens and payouts to closed businesses.


  • #5908
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,343 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Looks like the ISAG wing in the U.K. are starting to look at Climate Change now. Interesting coincidence that George Lee also wrote a climate change piece recently too…

    https://t.co/YvLu9JaY2O

    Just to add to this, a recent ISAG tweet



    Talks about ‘vaccine based elimination’. Tony Holohan our CMO & head of NPHET is supposed to be independent of this psycho ISAG group. Yet he said this exact same thing recently.
    Is Ireland now being run by this insane group? The parallels and coordination of media onslaught between NPHET and ISAG over the last two weeks, trying to keep our media full of scaremongering and our country closed is seriously troubling. It’s almost like a power grab & will have very serious ramifications for the citizens of this state.

    There is no good reason or any data to show that Ireland needs to delay the next phase of reopening. A phase the U.K. and Europeans are currently already in right now.


  • #5909
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Fintan OTooles piece is hysterical

    2 AZs are extremely good cover against Delta and this cohort will be finished in about 2 weeks

    We'll then have all the 40+ plus vulnerable adults and HCW double vaxxed and any hesitation about opening up society would be disgraceful.


  • #5910
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,358 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    So according to Christopher hospital admissions are not increasing across the water

    https://twitter.com/cjsnowdon/status/1408331220270845961?s=19


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  • #5911
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    One does question whether the debate over opening on 5 July is simply related to the 60 to 70 AZ issue.


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