Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

hynesie08 · 25-06-2021 03:19PM

Graham wrote: »

No wonder you're frustrated if you've convinced yourself our covid response is based on some anti-drinking conspiracy theory.

Knows the thoughts and opinions of 40+ people, but couldn't name 5 of them without Google.

gozunda · 25-06-2021 03:20PM

mightyreds wrote: »

What if you add India to those 2 how did we do compare to them?

India? Ok...

From the data available - India has been doing swimmingly. Much better than the whole of the EU. Looks like we've no need of a public health system at all ...

Unfortunately it appears the data from India has been less than accurate for a number of reasons

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56969086

Graham · 25-06-2021 03:24PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Then why are we the only country with indoor pubs closed with other countries having similar vaccination levels as us with them open ?

Sorry PTH2009, if I really wanted to debate anti-drink covid conspiracy theories I'd head over to the dedicated forum.

Hellrazer · 25-06-2021 03:24PM

SAMTALK wrote: »

You seem to think the main role of NPHET is to close pubs and reduce drinking

No its just Tonys crusade - hes completely anti - alcohol. And hes teh head of Nphet.

Hes publicly stated that anything that can stop us from consuming alcohol is welcome and while people took that solely to mean in the context of covid-19 - he has always been against the consumption of alcohol.

While I do agree we probably do consume too much alcohol as a nation - there are people that go to pubs solely to have a meal / or just for the interaction with other people.
Its not always about alcohol consumption.

Tony Holohan would have us joining the pioneer club given half the chance.

mightyreds · 25-06-2021 03:25PM

gozunda wrote: »

India? Ok...

From the data available - India has been doing swimmingly. Much better than the whole of the EU. Looks like we've no need of a public health system at all ...

Unfortunately it appears the data from India has been less than accurate for a number of reasons

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56969086

Thats crazy was expecting them to be the worst but with bad data I suppose its not possible

hynesie08 · 25-06-2021 03:26PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

No its just Tonys crusade - hes completely anti - alcohol. And hes teh head of Nphet.

Hes publicly stated that anything that can stop us from consuming alcohol is welcome and while people took that solely to mean in the context of covid-19 - he has always been against the consumption of alcohol.

While I do agree we probably do consume too much alcohol as a nation - there are people that go to pubs solely to have a meal / or just for the interaction with other people.
Its not always about alcohol consumption.

Tony Holohan would have us joining the pioneer club given half the chance.

You're really going to need to back that one up.....

charlie14 · 25-06-2021 03:30PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

No its just Tonys crusade - hes completely anti - alcohol. And hes teh head of Nphet.

Hes publicly stated that anything that can stop us from consuming alcohol is welcome and while people took that solely to mean in the context of covid-19 - he has always been against the consumption of alcohol.

While I do agree we probably do consume too much alcohol as a nation - there are people that go to pubs solely to have a meal / or just for the interaction with other people.
Its not always about alcohol consumption.

Tony Holohan would have us joining the pioneer club given half the chance.

Following that line of thought if he was a muslim he would be calling for jihad :rolleyes:

namloc1980 · 25-06-2021 03:39PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

You're really going to need to back that one up.....

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40203194.html

The Chief Medical Officer says any new measures to crack down on people's consumption of alcohol would be "very welcome".

Plenty of more examples if you google it.

Patrick2010 · 25-06-2021 03:40PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

You're really going to need to back that one up.....

Its well known Tony is anti alcohol

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9781137530332_6
He explained further how, at a cost to the Irish state of €1.2 billion every year, “90 people per month suffer avoidable deaths as a consequence of consumption of alcohol.” He added, “alcohol is implicated in half of all suicides” and “approximately 2,000 hospital beds each night are occupied by people whose illness is related directly or indirectly to alcohol misuse.”

Find the last bit hard to believe.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/dr-tony-holohan-issues-stunning-23281416

On whether off-licence opening hours should be cut, Dr Holohan said: "This virus loves alcohol. That is a concern to us in the way in which we consume alcohol and the pattern of use of alcohol in this country is a challenge.
"Any measures that would help in terms of the reduction of our consumption of alcohol in the context of this infection would be very, very welcome.

hynesie08 · 25-06-2021 03:45PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

No its just Tonys crusade - hes completely anti - alcohol. And hes teh head of Nphet.

Hes publicly stated that anything that can stop us from consuming alcohol is welcome and while people took that solely to mean in the context of covid-19 - he has always been against the consumption of alcohol.

namloc1980 wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40203194.html

The Chief Medical Officer says any new measures to crack down on people's consumption of alcohol would be "very welcome".

Plenty of more examples if you google it.

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Its well known Tony is anti alcohol

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9781137530332_6
He explained further how, at a cost to the Irish state of €1.2 billion every year, “90 people per month suffer avoidable deaths as a consequence of consumption of alcohol.” He added, “alcohol is implicated in half of all suicides” and “approximately 2,000 hospital beds each night are occupied by people whose illness is related directly or indirectly to alcohol misuse.”

Find the last bit hard to believe.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/dr-tony-holohan-issues-stunning-23281416

On whether off-licence opening hours should be cut, Dr Holohan said: "This virus loves alcohol. That is a concern to us in the way in which we consume alcohol and the pattern of use of alcohol in this country is a challenge.
"Any measures that would help in terms of the reduction of our consumption of alcohol in the context of this infection would be very, very welcome.

It's amazing how the context changes with that one word.

OwenM · 25-06-2021 03:46PM

Red Silurian wrote: »

What makes you think NPHET enjoy closing pubs? Or keeping them closed in this case?

If our indoor pubs are to remain closed during the summer but travel opens up on the 29th of July you can fly to another country for an indoor pint. Or just go up north so what's the point?

Don't be so naive, Holohan is a well known and leading figure in Irelands new temperance movement.

suicide_circus · 25-06-2021 03:51PM

Puritanism is very in vogue these days

SAMTALK · 25-06-2021 03:54PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

No its just Tonys crusade - hes completely anti - alcohol. And hes teh head of Nphet.

Hes publicly stated that anything that can stop us from consuming alcohol is welcome and while people took that solely to mean in the context of covid-19 - he has always been against the consumption of alcohol.

While I do agree we probably do consume too much alcohol as a nation - there are people that go to pubs solely to have a meal / or just for the interaction with other people.
Its not always about alcohol consumption.

Tony Holohan would have us joining the pioneer club given half the chance.

So he wants to stop the consumption totally ? I have to say this is news to me

You make it sound that like the pandemic came along at just the right time for Tony Holohan .

castletownman · 25-06-2021 03:55PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Some of there members are extremely anti Alcohol and really want to change the culture and adopt the European model

They rate Alcohol related issues as a cause of a lot of hospital overcrowding and then all the bad health benefits it has

I'd say stress and worry and related mental health problems are significant in hospital settings too, and ironically NPHET are causing a stir there with all their ****ing about.

Richard Hillman · 25-06-2021 04:42PM

Holohan has spoke at Alcohol Action Ireland conferences. Alcohol Action Ireland are not a "drink responsibly" crowd. They will not rest until Alcohol is banned. Anyone in bed with AAI is purely anti alcohol.

Richard Hillman · 25-06-2021 04:45PM

Irish open golf will have 5000 spectators, over a vast estate and they have to wear a masks outdoors. They have the nerve to call it a pilot event :pac:

Most of the golfers are just back from the US where they are were playing in front of 50-75% attendance crowds with no masks.

But this one is a "Test Event"

Deeper Blue · 25-06-2021 04:53PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Irish open golf will have 5000 spectators, over a vast estate and they have to wear a masks outdoors. They have the nerve to call it a pilot event :pac:

Most of the golfers are just back from the US where they are were playing in front of 50-75% attendance crowds with no masks.

But this one is a "Test Event"

Here in Ireland we can only accept negative evidence from other countries e.g. the bedwetting over the Indian variant in the UK.

But when it comes to positive evidence such as negligible cases arising from test events in multiple countries, we can't accept it and must run our own test events just to be seen to be doing something.

#HoldFirm

zackory · 25-06-2021 05:33PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Irish open golf will have 5000 spectators, over a vast estate and they have to wear a masks outdoors. They have the nerve to call it a pilot event :pac:

Most of the golfers are just back from the US where they are were playing in front of 50-75% attendance crowds with no masks.

But this one is a "Test Event"

At around the same time British grand prix 140000 people.

Whatsisname · 25-06-2021 05:34PM

Deeper Blue wrote: »

Here in Ireland we can only accept negative evidence from other countries e.g. the bedwetting over the Indian variant in the UK.

But when it comes to positive evidence such as negligible cases arising from test events in multiple countries, we can't accept it and must run our own test events just to be seen to be doing something.

#HoldFirm

UK Government released the findings from the test events today.

Out of 58,000 participants, only 28 positive cases were recorded.

Only 11 of the 28 cases were classed as potentially infectious.

This includes 2 nights at a nightclub where no social distancing or masks were required.

But Irelands worried about opening up indoor dining. Make it make sense.

namloc1980 · 25-06-2021 05:37PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Irish open golf will have 5000 spectators, over a vast estate and they have to wear a masks outdoors. They have the nerve to call it a pilot event :pac:

Most of the golfers are just back from the US where they are were playing in front of 50-75% attendance crowds with no masks.

But this one is a "Test Event"

Masks outdoors at a golf course :pac: Are you serious? Absolutely lost the plot in this country.

Deeper Blue · 25-06-2021 05:38PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

UK Government released the findings from the test events today.

Out of 58,000 participants, only 28 positive cases were recorded.

Only 11 of the 28 cases were classed as potentially infectious.

This includes 2 nights at a nightclub where no social distancing or masks were required.

But Irelands worried about opening up indoor dining. Make it make sense.

Sorry that's not enough evidence unfortunately, we're going to put another 40 people in Iveagh Gardens 10 yards apart wearing masks instead.

LessOutragePlz · 25-06-2021 05:49PM

Deeper Blue wrote: »

Sorry that's not enough evidence unfortunately, we're going to put another 40 people in Iveagh Gardens 10 yards apart wearing masks instead.

It's not peer reviewed so it doesn't count as we must follow the science :rolleyes:

Arghus · 25-06-2021 05:56PM

Tony Holohan has literally said he enjoys a drink.

The CMO of a country being broadly supportive of measures to try to combat excessive drinking is entirely consistent with the remit of someone in such a role. And I say that as someone who has drank to excess an innumerable amount of times throughout the years.

A child could see that's not the same thing as wanting alcohol banned outright. Words fail me if some of you can't see the difference.

hynesie08 · 25-06-2021 06:00PM

Arghus wrote: »

Tony Holohan has literally said he enjoys a drink.

The CMO of a country being broadly supportive of measures to try to combat excessive drinking is entirely consistent with the remit of someone in such a role. And I say that as someone who has drank to excess an innumerable amount of times throughout the years.

A child could see that's not the same thing as wanting alcohol banned outright. Words fail me if some of you can't see the difference.

But, the virus loves alcohol (conveniently avoid the rest of the quote that was completely reasonable)

gozunda · 25-06-2021 06:02PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

UK Government released the findings from the test events today.

Out of 58,000 participants, only 28 positive cases were recorded.

Only 11 of the 28 cases were classed as potentially infectious.

This includes 2 nights at a nightclub where no social distancing or masks were required.

But Irelands worried about opening up indoor dining. Make it make sense.

Shssss will ya. People might notice we're ignoring the fact that the UK is way ahead of us with regard to vaccinations....

zackory · 25-06-2021 06:03PM

Arghus wrote: »

Tony Holohan has literally said he enjoys a drink.

The CMO of a country being broadly supportive of measures to try to combat excessive drinking is entirely consistent with the remit of someone in such a role. And I say that as someone who has drank to excess an innumerable amount of times throughout the years.

A child could see that's not the same thing as wanting alcohol banned outright. Words fail me if some of you can't see the difference.

I didnt see anybody on here claim holohan wants an outright alcohol ban.

zackory · 25-06-2021 06:05PM

Mr Reid said that uncertainty around the Delta variant remains, but the UK scenario suggests that increased hospitalisations are likely.

So Martin and Reid both saying no increase in hospitalisations.

I think there was a knee jerk reaction from the pan covid front this week and they will have copped themselves on next week.

Edit, misread that, so he is contradicting Martin and the Portugal experience

hynesie08 · 25-06-2021 06:16PM

zackory wrote: »

I didnt see anybody on here claim holohan wants an outright alcohol ban.

Hellrazer wrote: »

No its just Tonys crusade - hes completely anti - alcohol. And hes teh head of Nphet.

Hes publicly stated that anything that can stop us from consuming alcohol is welcome and while people took that solely to mean in the context of covid-19 - he has always been against the consumption of alcohol.

While I do agree we probably do consume too much alcohol as a nation - there are people that go to pubs solely to have a meal / or just for the interaction with other people.
Its not always about alcohol consumption.

Tony Holohan would have us joining the pioneer club given half the chance.

Only a dozen or so posts before yours.

Arghus · 25-06-2021 06:20PM

zackory wrote: »

I didnt see anybody on here claim holohan wants an outright alcohol ban.

Here you go, all in the last two pages:

Hellrazer wrote: »

No its just Tonys crusade - hes completely anti - alcohol. And hes teh head of Nphet.

Hes publicly stated that anything that can stop us from consuming alcohol is welcome and while people took that solely to mean in the context of covid-19 - he has always been against the consumption of alcohol.

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Holohan has spoke at Alcohol Action Ireland conferences. Alcohol Action Ireland are not a "drink responsibly" crowd. They will not rest until Alcohol is banned. Anyone in bed with AAI is purely anti alcohol.

OwenM wrote: »

Don't be so naive, Holohan is a well known and leading figure in Irelands new temperance movement.

And more too expressing the view that delaying pub reopening is part of some nefarious plan to curb alcohol consumption - a theory which is, quite frankly, fcking nuts.

agoodpunt · 25-06-2021 06:22PM

RTE gloom Lee & co. news is pessimestic any neg even from an open Europe finds guidelines from european data say 97% more bla bla bla
holiday abroad if you want dine or drink inside is the goverment policy, even vaccinated will be vunerable before we leave the summer probably lockdown by xmas

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