Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

22-06-2021 10:58AM

zackory wrote: »

yeah lets go back into full lockdown, just in case.

Reductio Ad Absurdum

Just keep the guard up while still proceeding with reopening until certain

namloc1980 · 22-06-2021 11:39AM

We've about 30 or so people in hospital and we're still bleating on about case numbers etc.

Penfailed · 22-06-2021 11:41AM

amlinopta wrote: »

RTE in full Delta variant mode this morning. Morning Ireland and now Claire Byrne Live. Scaremongering at its worst

It would appear that one person's reporting of facts is another person's scaremongering.

Hurrache · 22-06-2021 11:43AM

amlinopta wrote: »

RTE in full Delta variant mode this morning. Morning Ireland and now Claire Byrne Live. Scaremongering at its worst

Don't listen to it then, it'll also save you the time coming hear to whinge about reality you don't like to hear.

NoLuckLarry · 22-06-2021 11:46AM

I call absolute bull****

https://www.thejournal.ie/public-wanted-stricter-lockdown-esri-5473598-Jun2021/

IRELAND’S COVID-19 CONTROL measures have been consistently less restrictive than the majority public opinion wanted, an Oireachtas committee will hear today.

Behavioural economist Professor Pete Lunn, who tracks public behaviour for the Economic and Social Research Institute (ESRI), will tell the justice committee that the “overwhelming majority” of the population supported the public health measures and would have preferred them to be more, not less, restrictive.

I suppose if you are very selective about who you ask those questions, you will get data skewed enough to support your viewpoint.

In reality though saying a majority supported it is complete nonsense, the only people who could have wanted more restrictive measures are the introverted ****ing losers who were in heaven with a lockdown scenario where everyone else was being forced to mirror their pathetic lonely existences.

average_runner · 22-06-2021 11:49AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Reductio Ad Absurdum

Just keep the guard up while still proceeding with reopening until certain

Our guard couldn't be any higher up. 100 people allowed in Dalymount last night while full stadium in Denmark.

Its gone beyond a joke here that people aren't allowed to attend sport events etc.

paddyisreal · 22-06-2021 11:52AM

You would swear reading some of the posts here that the vaccines don't work against the delta variant. 90 percent effective ffs. maybe scally and a few others here should go and live in the skelligs till the world is vaccinated if ye are that afraid. Thank god no one is going to listen to scally and his like.

Proceed with caution, keep up the guard etc basically lockdown lovers who don't want normality back

Penfailed · 22-06-2021 11:53AM

NoLuckLarry wrote: »

I call absolute bull****

https://www.thejournal.ie/public-wanted-stricter-lockdown-esri-5473598-Jun2021/

I suppose if you are very selective about who you ask those questions, you will get data skewed enough to support your viewpoint.

In reality though saying a majority supported it is complete nonsense, the only people who could have wanted more restrictive measures are the introverted ****ing losers who were in heaven with a lockdown scenario where everyone else was being forced to mirror their pathetic lonely existences.

Figures from the ERSI since the beginning of the pandemic, consistently showed that around 80% of the public were either happy with the restrictions or thought that they should be more severe. I've pointed it out a few times over the various iterations of the thread. Nothing has changed.

Penfailed · 22-06-2021 11:55AM

paddyisreal wrote: »

Proceed with caution, keep up the guard etc basically lockdown lovers who don't want normality back

The two are not mutually exclusive. You can want a return to normality and also think proceeding with caution and keeping the guard up is a good idea.

NoLuckLarry · 22-06-2021 11:57AM

Penfailed wrote: »

Figures from the ERSI since the beginning of the pandemic, consistently showed that around 80% of the public were either happy with the restrictions or thought that they should be more severe.

Unless they asked 80% of 5 million then it’s completely inaccurate to portray this in any way as a “majority opinion”. A polling base of 1-1.5k is not representative of an actual opinion on a situation as polarising as having your life put on hold.

22-06-2021 11:58AM

paddyisreal wrote: »

You would swear reading some of the posts here that the vaccines don't work against the delta variant. 90 percent effective ffs. maybe scally and a few others here should go and live in the skelligs till the world is vaccinated if ye are that afraid. Thank god no one is going to listen to scally and his like.

Proceed with caution, keep up the guard etc basically lockdown lovers who don't want normality back

Just not ignoring information that doesn't suit.

Still believe reopening can proceed at current pace or even faster. But not without heading potential warnings elsewhere. Vaccinations will take care of it in the end

Don't be an ostrich

Hurrache · 22-06-2021 12:01PM

NoLuckLarry wrote: »

I call absolute bull****

What studies are you basing your call on that show otherwise? You actually think there was only 1 study since the pandemic in which the public supported the policies? Do you really want to talk about someone being selective when you're doing the very same?

Penfailed · 22-06-2021 12:05PM

NoLuckLarry wrote: »

Unless they asked 80% of 5 million then it’s completely inaccurate to portray this in any way as a “majority opinion”. A polling base of 1-1.5k is not representative of an actual opinion on a situation as polarising as having your life put on hold.

I call absolute bull****.

NoLuckLarry · 22-06-2021 12:08PM

Hurrache wrote: »

What studies are you basing your call on that show otherwise? You actually think there was only 1 study since the pandemic in which the public supported the policies? Do you really want to talk about someone being selective when you're doing the very same?

I don't need studies, I can tell you from personal experience that people supported the initial lockdown measures in March 2020, but by Xmas were sick to the teeth of them. That support never came back in the post Xmas lockdown, in fact most people I knew by Feb had stopped following restrictions such as the inter country travel bull****. Now that's a representative size of about 50-60 people I would have regular contact with, so that holds as much weight in my view as a study or studies selecting a 3-4 figure base and trying to portray the findings as representative of 5 million people.

Hurrache · 22-06-2021 12:09PM

Ha ha, "I don't need studies.... as I'm going to make up fictitious horse**** anyway to suit my agenda".

NoLuckLarry · 22-06-2021 12:11PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Ha ha, "I don't need studies.... as I'm going to make up fictitious horse**** anyway to suit my agenda".

Holds as much weight as this official horse**** trying to claim 80% of the population wanted even more restrictions imposed :rolleyes:

the kelt · 22-06-2021 12:11PM

Genuine question.

Has anyone here ever being asked their opinions as per all these opinion polls that keep being spouted about on both sides of the argument?

namloc1980 · 22-06-2021 12:17PM

Hospitalisations have been well and truly decoupled from case numbers at this stage. Yet we have the daily case numbers and hand wringing every day. It's absolute bollox.

Penfailed · 22-06-2021 12:22PM

NoLuckLarry wrote: »

Holds as much weight as this official horse**** trying to claim 80% of the population wanted even more restrictions imposed :rolleyes:

Y'see, they're not trying to claim that 80% of the population wanted even more restrictions imposed. I suggest you reread the article.

TheDoctor · 22-06-2021 12:28PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Hospitalisations have been well and truly decoupled from case numbers at this stage. Yet we have the daily case numbers and hand wringing every day. It's absolute bollox.

39 people in hospital this morning due to covid

namloc1980 · 22-06-2021 12:30PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

39 people in hospital this morning due to covid

Yes I know thanks. What's your point?

TheDoctor · 22-06-2021 12:37PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Yes I know thanks. What's your point?

Thats how low it is.

bear1 · 22-06-2021 12:45PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

39 people in hospital this morning due to covid

Far too high, best we close all airports, remove indoor and outdoor eating, place landmines at every county border and hold firm.
We are in this together.

22-06-2021 12:49PM

bear1 wrote: »

Far too high, best we close all airports, remove indoor and outdoor eating, place landmines at every county border and hold firm.
We are in this together.

daydorunrun · 22-06-2021 12:52PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

39 people in hospital this morning due to covid

Haven't read the term 'due to covid' in relation to hospitalizations. Of those 39 we have no idea why they are receiving treatment.

22-06-2021 12:58PM

Poll Question "Do you want to kill granny?"

bear1 · 22-06-2021 01:02PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not sure how you managed to get a picture of me but I'm concerned.

namloc1980 · 22-06-2021 01:03PM

The next 2 weeks are crucial. Eamon Ryan said as much on Newstalk - "we need to keep our distance for 2-3 weeks". I think they're having a laugh at this stage. Maybe they have a pools going at cabinet to see who can squeeze it into an interview.

zackory · 22-06-2021 01:05PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Figures from the ERSI since the beginning of the pandemic, consistently showed that around 80% of the public were either happy with the restrictions or thought that they should be more severe. I've pointed it out a few times over the various iterations of the thread. Nothing has changed.

I supported restrictions in March 2020 and January 2021.

However closing construction for so long was a thundering disgrace.

Stuff like non essential retail could have resumed sooner.

Outdoor dining could have resumed a month earlier in my view, especially in non alcohol establishments like coffee shops.

A lot of people are happy with restrictions because it means WFH, or the PUP or PUP and cash nixer on the side etc.

No school runs either so a few beers on a weeknight.

People may support restrictions but what is their motive?

HerrKapitan · 22-06-2021 01:11PM

zackory wrote: »

I supported restrictions in March 2020 and January 2021.

However closing construction for so long was a thundering disgrace.

Stuff like non essential retail could have resumed sooner.

Outdoor dining could have resumed a month earlier in my view, especially in non alcohol establishments like coffee shops.

A lot of people are happy with restrictions because it means WFH, or the PUP or PUP and cash nixer on the side etc.

No school runs either so a few beers on a weeknight.

People may support restrictions but what is their motive?

Tech will be booming with essentially making smart phones mandatory.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings