The Pat Kenny Show

meeeeh · 18-06-2021 11:38AM

I must admit that reliance on Church, charitable trusts and charities to provide public service baffles me. As someone who was born in bonkers socialist country I'm pretty sure those things can be nationalised if there is a political will. It might not be pleasant or even popular but to me it's crazy how much influence church has in healthcare and education.

2smiggy · 21-06-2021 08:08AM

Hope Pat gets stuck into someone about his out door drinking thing

Was in Dingle last weekend. They had loads of extra covered seating set up for people to bring there food and drink to. Not for any particular bars or restaurants. Now apparently they cannot even do this !!

I don't know what else they can do.

21-06-2021 08:20AM

Mr."You See" on again. Has he no one else he can roll out

whisky_galore · 21-06-2021 08:30AM

2smiggy wrote: »

Hope Pat gets stuck into someone about his out door drinking thing

Was in Dingle last weekend. They had loads of extra covered seating set up for people to bring there food and drink to. Not for any particular bars or restaurants. Now apparently they cannot even do this !!

I don't know what else they can do.

Local Polizei just nod and wink to owner, the usual Irish solution to an Irish problem.

HeidiHeidi · 21-06-2021 09:18AM

Beirut wrote: »

Mr."You See" on again. Has he no one else he can roll out

Luke O'Neill has been a regular feature on Pat's show for ever and a day, since long before Covid.

Since Covid, he is on the show at 9am on a Monday, 10am on a Thursday, regular as clockwork - a slot I very much look forward to.

Although I will admit that this morning I did wonder will the day ever come again where he'll be on the show and not talking about Covid

21-06-2021 09:42AM

2smiggy wrote: »

Hope Pat gets stuck into someone about his out door drinking thing

Was in Dingle last weekend. They had loads of extra covered seating set up for people to bring there food and drink to. Not for any particular bars or restaurants. Now apparently they cannot even do this !!

I don't know what else they can do.

Did he? I couldn't listen to the first hour, but I imagine Pat is quite in favour of Garda discretion.

I dislike it. The law should be clear, one way or the other. Irish society is unusual in that the vast majority seem to have a positive view of Gardai, precisely because their powers in this country aren't arbitrary like in banana republics, they don't get to decide what constitutes a crime. This is unfair on the Gardai, besides from anything else.

But Pat has been on a tirade against the piss-ridden streets and doesn't understand why everyone doesn't just drink in their private gardens that roll down merrily to the sea.

2smiggy · 21-06-2021 09:49AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Did he? I couldn't listen to the first hour, but I imagine Pat is quite in favour of Garda discretion.

I dislike it. The law should be clear, one way or the other. Irish society is unusual in that the vast majority seem to have a positive view of Gardai, precisely because their powers in this country aren't arbitrary like in banana republics, they don't get to decide what constitutes a crime. This is unfair on the Gardai, besides from anything else.

But Pat has been on a tirade against the piss-ridden streets and doesn't understand why everyone doesn't just drink in their private gardens that roll down merrily to the sea.

no Pat all for discretion , so am I. Just find it sad to see if they are cracking down on places where it is working fine. Like Dingle last weekend, but that was just my own experience.

meeeeh · 21-06-2021 10:04AM

Do Irish laws need to be changed? I suspect it's hardly on government priority list especially since outdoor socialising isn't great priority here.

EmmetSpiceland · 21-06-2021 10:18AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I dislike it. The law should be clear, one way or the other. Irish society is unusual in that the vast majority seem to have a positive view of Gardai, precisely because their powers in this country aren't arbitrary like in banana republics, they don't get to decide what constitutes a crime. This is unfair on the Gardai, besides from anything else.

A lot of these by-laws should be, temporarily, suspended if we’re going to continue with encouraging this “outdoor summer”.

As long as bins and toilets are provided pissy, and dirty, streets shouldn’t be a major issue.

Technocentral · 22-06-2021 10:09AM

The problem with the arts, acting, music etc is unless you are super famous or wealthy who's to say you'll get enough work to pay your mortgage in the future? Like for low paid workers corporation should build more houses, only solution.

Technocentral · 22-06-2021 10:27AM

Who wants to be on packed transport breathing in potential viruses anymore?

22-06-2021 10:32AM

Technocentral wrote: »

Who wants to be on packed transport breathing in potential viruses anymore?

I still love taking the trains, there's something inherently exciting about them.

But the idea of getting on a packed dart or Luas, I think many of us have developed an aversion to them. A year of social distancing will have made it very difficult to ever go back to having strangers breathe in your actual face all the way from Greystones to Grand Canal.

Technocentral · 22-06-2021 10:36AM

All the more reason to keep wfh where possible, gov and employers seem to be clawing back on it.

EmmetSpiceland · 22-06-2021 10:38AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I still love taking the trains, there's something inherently exciting about them.

But the idea of getting on a packed dart or Luas, I think many of us have developed an aversion to them. A year of social distancing will have made it very difficult to ever go back to having strangers breathe in your actual face all the way from Greystones to Grand Canal.

Keep the face masks for public transport.

I, personally, never enjoyed a packed bus on a cold wet morning with every window closed and mouth breath choking up the air. Open windows and face masks would go a long way to making that more comfortable.

Technocentral · 22-06-2021 10:45AM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Keep the face masks for public transport.

I, personally, never enjoyed a packed bus on a cold wet morning with every window closed and mouth breath choking up the air. Open windows and face masks would go a long way to making that more comfortable.

Even with masks on wouldn't fancy people in my face.

whisky_galore · 22-06-2021 10:46AM

Technocentral wrote: »

All the more reason to keep wfh where possible, gov and employers seem to be clawing back on it.

Wfh suits some, not others.
You assume every employee likes wfh.

Technocentral · 22-06-2021 10:48AM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Wfh suits some, not others.
You assume every employee likes wfh.

That's why I said where possible....

Technocentral · 22-06-2021 10:50AM

Sounds more like want than need.

UI_Paddy · 22-06-2021 03:55PM

Be interesting to see how this new four day week trial works. I'm honestly all for that or a hybrid model in future.

EmmetSpiceland · 22-06-2021 04:53PM

UI_Paddy wrote: »

Be interesting to see how this new four day week trial works. I'm honestly all for that or a hybrid model in future.

The key really is to not be the one who announces, in front of management, ‘sure nobody does any work on a Friday anyway’.

It wasnt me123 · 22-06-2021 05:11PM

In Australia they have had a RDO (rostered day off) either fortnightly or monthly for 30 years or more. That is a day off but not increased hours in the previous or coming days - so not squeezing 5 days work into 4. Ireland really needs to drag their employment / labour laws into the 21st century.

2smiggy · 22-06-2021 09:13PM

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

In Australia they have had a RDO (rostered day off) either fortnightly or monthly for 30 years or more. That is a day off but not increased hours in the previous or coming days - so not squeezing 5 days work into 4. Ireland really needs to drag their employment / labour laws into the 21st century.

What's wrong with paying people for the hours they actually work ?

22-06-2021 09:23PM

I must listen back to that. Could there not be a negative effect on wages if people (say, those saving for mortgages or merely hard workers) take up a second job to work on two or three of their days off? In a small economy where that practice became fairly common, it could have deleterious effects on the price level and the wage level, whilst basically abolishing the weekend.

For tax purposes, it often isn't worth someone's while to work on the weekend. But add in a third day? That could create a clear benefit for additional work.

It wasnt me123 · 22-06-2021 10:25PM

2smiggy wrote: »

What's wrong with paying people for the hours they actually work ?

It’s part of a work/life balance and giving staff incentive to work at particular companies. You work less, but its a happier place to work, the work is done as you act as part of a team and you get paid the same. It works and its thinking outside the box - I looked at indeed.ie recently as my daughter is looking for work. Most of the jobs in our area were all minimum wage, most of them. Pathetic, you can’t afford a mortgage, raise a family etc on minimum wage. Employers need to get real and pay a living wage.

It wasnt me123 · 22-06-2021 10:29PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Could there not be a negative effect on wages if people (say, those saving for mortgages or merely hard workers) take up a second job to work on two or three of their days off?
.

Why would you? If you work the extra days you pay more tax and in reality that just wouldn’t happen. Those people would be working their 2 days off now if that was the case.

22-06-2021 10:43PM

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

Why would you? If you work the extra days you pay more tax and in reality that just wouldn’t happen. Those people would be working their 2 days off now if that was the case.

Well not exactly, because you'd still be able to have a rest day, and have an extra two days' income. Someone available for contract work within their profession would easily be tempted

I'd be tempted. I think I'd do it. After tax, it could swipe 10% off your mortgage.

BPKS · 24-06-2021 10:32AM

Pat having a discussion about the difficulties of elderly people "down sizing".

From a man who objected to first an apartment building and then a nursing home near his house.

Mav11 · 24-06-2021 10:44AM

BPKS wrote: »

Pat having a discussion about the difficulties of elderly people "down sizing".

From a man who objected to first an apartment building and then a nursing home near his house.

Well, maybe one of the difficulties would be having to look into Pat Kenny’s bedroom, from the nursing home every morning?

Klonker · 24-06-2021 12:12PM

BPKS wrote: »

Pat having a discussion about the difficulties of elderly people "down sizing".

From a man who objected to first an apartment building and then a nursing home near his house.

Whole thing is a waste of time on my opinion. Older people who may have lived in a house for 40+ years are not going to want to move a new home, no matter what the size. They're comfortable where they are and won't want change. Plus if have adult children and grandchildren will like to have the extra room if they want to stay.

Might suit some countries but there would need to be some big incentives for it to work here which I doubt there will be. I'd say they'd be lucky to get 100 homes freed up with this in total.

meeeeh · 24-06-2021 12:42PM

I don't know. MIL is living on her own at 80 in a 4 bedroom house with big garden. She can afford gardener and a cleaner plus family help with upkeep. On top of that she has monitored house alarm and monitored personal alarm. It adds up to an awful lot of cost and time. She is also very social and drives around a lot. She dreads of ending in nursing home but I think some sort of retirement village would suit those elderly who are living on their own. The house she lives in would make a lovely family home.

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