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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #7052
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,679 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    zackory wrote: »
    Do you think the CMO in Denmark is concerned?

    This is beyond farce now.

    I really don't care about the CMO in Denmark OR the CMO in Ireland. England have pushed back their reopening due to the Delta variant. It's quite possible that the same thing will happen here. I'm past the stage of caring.

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  • #7053
    User1998
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,894 ✭✭✭User1998


    charlie14 wrote: »
    You do pedantic much ?
    If you somehow believe hotels taking your credit card details means nothing, next time you are in one walk out without paying and see how long it takes them to trace you.

    So do you think that hotels will be able to access our phone numbers through our credit card details for contact tracing? And if so do you think thats a good enough reason to allow indoor dining in hotels but not in restaurants? Can restaurants not access our contact details through our credit card? Or is it just hotels that can do that? Or is it that everyone in a restaurant pays cash and everyone in a hotel pays card? Do restaurants not take your name and number upon arrival? Or is it that the credit card method is a better way to contact trace? So much better that it allows hotel guests to dine indoors? Genuine question


  • #7054
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    zackory wrote: »
    Can anybody explain why Denmark have a packed stadium and we can't?

    We're not in the euros


  • #7055
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    We're not in the euros

    Very childish and immature answer it must be said.

    You know full well we have a GAA season ongoing.


  • #7056
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    zackory wrote: »
    Very childish and immature answer it must be said.

    You know full well we have a GAA season ongoing.

    Plus we had Euro matches but turn them down because "we're not there yet".


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  • #7057
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    gozunda wrote: »
    You think he's making up that figure?

    I would certainly like to know how they came to the conclusion of 20% of cases. We heard end of last week Delta cases were decreasing and now its 20% of cases all of a sudden. Its bad to say but I can't just take NPHET at their word after the while antigen debacle. And coming a day after Leo disagreed with them on travel.


  • #7058
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    charlie14 wrote: »
    You do pedantic much ?
    If you somehow believe hotels taking your credit card details means nothing, next time you are in one walk out without paying and see how long it takes them to trace you.

    They can’t trace you through your credit card details. All they have is your card number - do you think if you find a card number on the ground you can ring the bank and ask what the name and address on the account is?

    All the hotel can do is use information given on check-in for contact tracing.

    They can charge the card post departure to recover any unpaid charges but no bank will give account holder information over to someone in possession of card details.


  • #7059
    Wombatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    It's OK folks.. Heather has had a chat with Drew ...



    Same as always. No foresight, no planning just reactive nonsense and when caught out the good ole "ah shure it'll be grand!" solution prevails :rolleyes:

    This idea of AGS using 'discretion' is laughable bordering on dangerous.

    It's either against the law or it isn't. AGS are there to enforce law in a consistent manner. Enforcing when they feel like it, or worse against whoever they feel like, sets a dangerous precedent.


  • #7060
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    zackory wrote: »
    So covid regulations require hotels to log who sat at which table for breakfast and who was sitting at that table after you.

    Do you have a link to this in the Failte Ireland guidelines please, I must have missed it.

    No need. I have stayed in hotel for reasons of work during this pandemic and have been in two different hotels on breaks since they reopened and that is how it has been in all of them.
    But you believe whatever you want too, it`s of no concern too me


  • #7061
    SNNUS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭SNNUS


    I think Ireland and the UK are the only country waffling about variants 😅


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  • #7062
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Stormyteacup wrote: »
    They can’t trace you through your credit card details. All they have is your card number - do you think if you find a card number on the ground you can ring the bank and ask what the name and address on the account is?

    All the hotel can do is use information given on check-in for contact tracing.

    They can charge the card post departure to recover any unpaid charges but no bank will give account holder information over to someone in possession of card details.

    Sigh..... they verify your details from your credit card on check-in.
    Do you know of any restaurant last summer that verified the names or phone numbers they were given by walk-ins ?


  • #7063
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    charlie14 wrote: »
    No need. I have stayed in hotel for reasons of work during this pandemic and have been in two different hotels on breaks since they reopened and that is how it has been in all of them.
    But you believe whatever you want too, it`s of no concern too me

    So there is no requirement to keep records of who sits at the table before and after you but all the hotels have decided to do it anyway.

    And they will be using credit card details to contact trace people without having their phone numbers.

    And this is why hotels are allowed serve indoors but not restaurants.

    Ok.


  • #7064
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    charlie14 wrote: »
    Sigh..... they verify your details from your credit card on check-in.
    Do you know of any restaurant last summer that verified the names or phone numbers they were given by walk-ins ?

    Can you explain how they will contact you using your credit card details unless you give them your phone number too.


  • #7065
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    zackory wrote: »
    Can you explain how they will contact you using your credit card details unless you give them your phone number too.

    Are you being pedantic for the sake of it or do you really not know what contact tracing is ?
    Either way, at this stage I could care less. Believe whatever makes you happy. I have better for doing.


  • #7066
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    zackory wrote: »
    So there is no requirement to keep records of who sits at the table before and after you but all the hotels have decided to do it anyway.

    And they will be using credit card details to contact trace people without having their phone numbers.

    And this is why hotels are allowed serve indoors but not restaurants.

    Ok.

    How many times do I have to say it before it registers. At the present stage of reopening hotels were allowed to serve indoors because of the numbers and the ease of tracing.


  • #7067
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,679 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    SNNUS wrote: »
    I think Ireland and the UK are the only country waffling about variants 😅

    I think you are wrong.

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  • #7068
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    charlie14 wrote: »
    How many times do I have to say it before it registers. At the present stage of reopening hotels were allowed to serve indoors because of the numbers and the ease of tracing.

    Using credit card details.


  • #7069
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    SNNUS wrote: »
    I think Ireland and the UK are the only country waffling about variants 😅

    No, in the real world, European leaders are talking about moving the euro 2020 finals away from Wembley because of variants.


  • #7070
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No, in the real world, European leaders are talking about moving the euro 2020 finals away from Wembley because of variants.

    Are they?

    Have you a source for this please?


  • #7071
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    charlie14 wrote: »
    I would have thought it simple enough. Hotel dining, unlike restaurants, limited to the number of residents, and traceability by means of hotel credit card details should someone test positive

    The good news is the Judge doesn't agree with you and would like more information beyond just accepting some woolly explanation.


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  • #7072
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    zackory wrote: »
    Are they?

    Have you a source for this please?

    Yep

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jun/21/italys-pm-says-euro-2020-final-should-be-moved-in-rome-due-to-uk-covid-rates


  • #7073
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yep

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jun/21/italys-pm-says-euro-2020-final-should-be-moved-in-rome-due-to-uk-covid-rates

    You said "European leaders"

    In that link we have a politician making a populist comment about hosting the final.

    He doesn't even mention variants, which is another thing you said.


  • #7074
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    zackory wrote: »
    You said "European leaders"

    In that link we have a politician making a populist comment about hosting the final.

    He doesn't even mention variants, which is another thing you said.

    Well there were leaders. Dragging and Bavarian premier. Plus here are more quotes from various European leaders seen as you are so pedantic in order to save the precious thread narrative

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0621/1229569-euro-2020-final-england/
    Mr Macron said "we'll have to keep an eye on things" for teams and fans, particularly in view of the rapid spread of Delta variant in Britain.


  • #7075
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No, in the real world, European leaders are talking about moving the euro 2020 finals away from Wembley because of variants.

    Hangon, I thought it was UEFA and they were bullies that Ireland bravely stood up to. Now you are suggesting that its 'European Leaders'?


  • #7076
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well there were leaders. Dragging and Bavarian premier. Plus here are more quotes from various European leaders seen as you are so pedantic in order to save the precious thread narrative

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0621/1229569-euro-2020-final-england/

    Ms Merkel and French President Emmanuel Macron last week voiced concerns over allowing fans to crowd Euro 2020 stadiums, with the German Chancellor saying "caution is still necessary" at "big events".

    Mr Macron said "we'll have to keep an eye on things" for teams and fans, particularly in view of the rapid spread of Delta variant in Britain.

    I don't see either of them talking about moving the game away from Wembley there?


  • #7077
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Sobit1964 wrote: »
    Hangon, I thought it was UEFA and they were bullies that Ireland bravely stood up to. Now you are suggesting that its 'European Leaders'?

    We were told here only Ireland and the uk have concerns about the delta variant. Here was evidence that others do. And I can get lots more.
    I fail to see your point other than somehow something that doesn’t align to the thread narrative again requiring the regular pile on?


  • #7078
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Sobit1964 wrote: »
    Hangon, I thought it was UEFA and they were bullies that Ireland bravely stood up to. Now you are suggesting that its 'European Leaders'?

    And its not in their gift anyway. The issue I believe is if UEFA and Johnson can't reach agreement on the quarantine requirements.


  • #7079
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    UEFA have been talking about moving the final to Budapest from Wembley. It's because the initial numbers touted to be at a Wembley final are now questionable given the UK did not open up as originally suggested yesterday. Hungary are allowing full stadiums


  • #7080
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    zackory wrote: »
    Ms Merkel and French President Emmanuel Macron last week voiced concerns over allowing fans to crowd Euro 2020 stadiums, with the German Chancellor saying "caution is still necessary" at "big events".

    Mr Macron said "we'll have to keep an eye on things" for teams and fans, particularly in view of the rapid spread of Delta variant in Britain.

    I don't see either of them talking about moving the game away from Wembley there?
    SNNUS wrote: »
    I think Ireland and the UK are the only country waffling about variants 😅


    I think this contention is well and truly out the window.

    And European leaders are “talking” about the final. I provided the link to Draghi and Soder actively calling for it, and the two quotes above are “talking” about it.


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  • #7081
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Beasty wrote: »
    UEFA have been talking about moving the final to Budapest from Wembley. It's because the initial numbers touted to be at a Wembley final are now questionable given the UK did not open up as originally suggested yesterday. Hungary are allowing full stadiums

    I believe its more to do with quarantine requirements for accredited staff etc.


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