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Sam Bennett - no same day spoilers

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    #1652
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,949 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Dodge wrote: »
    Yes to both. Sagan for Green now

    2 big records close to being broken are Sean Kellys number of days in GT points jerseys and Merckx stage wins. I can't see Cavendish getting any stage wins but Sagan should take the points record


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    #1653
    happytramp
    Registered Users Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭happytramp


    That's terrible for him. He must be gutted.

    From a personal point of view, the tour has lost about 90% of it's excitement for me now... The excitement from his battle for the green jersey last year was something else.


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    #1654
    happytramp
    Registered Users Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭happytramp


    God, just saw that Lefevere is saying that his knee is grand and that he's just got preformance anxiety.


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    #1655
    Mefistofelino
    Registered Users Posts: 1,773 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    I find it a little odd that someone who hasn't ridden a three week tour since 2018 (and hasn't finished one since 2015), wasn't supposed to be riding the TdF at all - and was told last week that he absolutely, positively wasn't riding it - is now fit enough to go to the Tour.

    With all due respect to Sam, a Cav stage win at the Tour would generate far more coverage (and sell far more flooring products) than a Bennett win. I think Lefevre has been fcuking around on the margins with this plan for a while, especially after Sam announced his departure.


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    #1656
    happytramp
    Registered Users Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭happytramp


    happytramp wrote: »
    God, just saw that Lefevere is saying that his knee is grand and that he's just got preformance anxiety.

    "I'm starting to think it's more performance anxiety than just pain..... I cannot prove that he does not have knee pain, but I am starting to think more and more that it is more fear of failure than just pain. Yesterday he had to come to Belgium, but then there were problems with his plane again. Then you start to think strange things. He'll have to come anyway. I'm not going to let this pass."

    What an utter p**ck.


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    #1657
    godtabh
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,211 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    happytramp wrote: »
    "I'm starting to think it's more performance anxiety than just pain..... I cannot prove that he does not have knee pain, but I am starting to think more and more that it is more fear of failure than just pain. Yesterday he had to come to Belgium, but then there were problems with his plane again. Then you start to think strange things. He'll have to come anyway. I'm not going to let this pass."

    What an utter p**ck.

    Is he saying Sam is faking it/missing planes on purpose so I put Cav in? I can see it in his mind now. If Cav goes good he's a hero. If Cav goes bad its all Sam's fault for faking it.


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    #1658
    Mefistofelino
    Registered Users Posts: 1,773 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    "If i can't have him, then nobody else can. I will break him"


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    #1659
    godtabh
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    Mefistofelino wrote: »
    "If i can't have him, then nobody else can. I will break him"

    Thats another thing. That statement was to get into his head now and the future. Hopefully he proves him wrong.


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    #1660
    Dr. Bre
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    He’s definitely not getting Rte sports person of the year


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    #1661
    happytramp
    Registered Users Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭happytramp


    To be honest, Sam's statement taken with Lefevere's interview makes it seems that even though he's been passed fit to race he has chosen not to go himself. Strange choice not to back himself to get up to speed but the pressure must be extreme and who can blame someone not wanting to put themselves through it.


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    #1662
    griffin100
    Registered Users Posts: 4,788 ✭✭✭griffin100


    griffin100 wrote: »
    Maybe Cav will be selected ahead of him. I wouldn’t put anything past Lefevere.

    Told ya!!

    I don’t think Cav has a chance of finishing a 3 week tour, but he doesn’t need to. As pointed out above one stage win will be enough.

    Lefevere really is a pr1ck. It wasn’t good enough not to renew Sam’s contract, he’s now undermining him and questioning his commitment as he looks for a new team


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    #1663
    Eamonnator
    Registered Users Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Eamonnator


    https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lefevere-cast-doubts-on-the-severity-of-sam-bennetts-knee-issue/

    "It's a shame that a 30 year old doesn't dare to tell the truth."
    LeFevere speaking about Sam.
    He is a despicable, obnoxious, devious f**ker.


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    #1664
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,949 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Eamonnator wrote: »
    https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lefevere-cast-doubts-on-the-severity-of-sam-bennetts-knee-issue/

    "It's a shame that a 30 year old doesn't dare to tell the truth."
    LeFevere speaking about Sam.
    He is a despicable, obnoxious, devious f**ker.

    He is a knob and I think he pulled the confidence thing before with another rider.
    Having watched all the Ronde documentaries the DS Peeters comes across as a bit of a cretin too


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    #1665
    CantGetNoSleep
    Registered Users Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭CantGetNoSleep


    Mefistofelino wrote: »
    I find it a little odd that someone who hasn't ridden a three week tour since 2018 (and hasn't finished one since 2015), wasn't supposed to be riding the TdF at all - and was told last week that he absolutely, positively wasn't riding it - is now fit enough to go to the Tour.

    With all due respect to Sam, a Cav stage win at the Tour would generate far more coverage (and sell far more flooring products) than a Bennett win. I think Lefevre has been fcuking around on the margins with this plan for a while, especially after Sam announced his departure.

    Did Sam ever even announce his departure? I haven't heard him say anything about it, just Lefevre in his newspaper columns


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    #1666
    happytramp
    Registered Users Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭happytramp


    For some reason those seven flat sprint stages aren't quite as appealing as they were yesterday.


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    #1667
    TheNah
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    Does anyone else think maybe the whole ‘Cav for the tour’ thing got inside Sam’s head? Maybe it spooked him a bit. Must have increased the pressure on him to perform.


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    #1668
    CramCycle
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    TheNah wrote: »
    Does anyone else think maybe the whole ‘Cav for the tour’ thing got inside Sam’s head? Maybe it spooked him a bit. Must have increased the pressure on him to perform.

    Not at all, no one is expecting anything from Cav, I doubt even Cav is deep down. He will try but unless he gets lucky I don't see it.


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    #1669
    wpd
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    apart from "performance anxiety" (which I dont believe) is there any other reason Sam would be chosing not to ride tour?? I can't think of any but wondering if i am missing something.


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    #1670
    North of 32
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    Devastated for Bennett.

    He should ring up Roy Keane and have him sort out Lefevere - ''accusing me of faking an injury?''

    Lefevere has made it clear - loudly in public - that he feels nothing is owed to Bennett. Bennett is rightfully repaying the sentiment by not risking his health and future prospects for a team that won't pay what he's worth and are looking to offload him. You reap what you sow. Could Bennett struggle through the tour? Probably, but why risk it? Thibaut Pinot comes to mind. He banged his knee and hasn't been the same since.


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    #1671
    Quigs Snr
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    Lefevre seems so angry that my first thought was that Sam must have rode his missus.

    Sam for his part seems to be making a statement too.. I reckon he'd normally show up with a niggle and try ride himself into it. There's more to this. Its a big deal for a sprinter to walk away from a run at 7 potential tour sprint stages whilst in his prime and sitting at the top of the best lead out train.


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    #1672
    this.lad
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    He has changed his picture on twitter to just wearing normal clothes.

    That lefevre is a piece of work.

    He talks about three different stories about the plane, one of them true, for sure, but calls his honesty into question on the basis that the other two issues may be untrue.

    It's a dreadfully dirty way to carry on.


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    #1673
    [Deleted User]
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    The guy is like a Mourinho/Trump hybrid. Any victory is obviously solely down to him but a defeat is always someone else's fault.

    It's kinda sickening to see how the Belgian media treat him as some sort of god but I guess they know how the game works with regards access to riders etc.

    I wouldn't mind seeing Cav win a stage, just not riding for Lefevere.


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    #1674
    retalivity
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    CramCycle wrote: »
    Not at all, no one is expecting anything from Cav, I doubt even Cav is deep down. He will try but unless he gets lucky I don't see it.

    Cav should be leading out Morkov!


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    #1675
    [Deleted User]
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    Silver lining I guess is that I can watch the tour stress free now. I'm still not the better of last year :o


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    #1676
    happytramp
    Registered Users Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭happytramp


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Silver lining I guess is that I can watch the tour stress free now. I'm still not the better of last year :o

    I'm feeling pretty deflated after today's announcement. I know I'll struggle to get excited about it now... What could have been and everything. Debating giving it a miss, watching Ewan mop upsix or seven stages will be too depressing.


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    #1677
    Macy0161
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    Not a great look for Sam with Lefevre throwing in him going outside the team for physio though.

    If Sam isn't race fit/ still has a niggle, he was really in a no win. Go the Tour not perform or say he's not fit and Lefevre be a untc about it. I really don't see any rider, particularly Sam who essentially moved to do the Tour, turning down the chance if fit and able.


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    #1678
    dahat
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    I’d say Sam has signed elsewhere & unwilling to commit to the TDF when not 100% especially when he is being crucified on socials/ internet by DQS.


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    #1679
    happytramp
    Registered Users Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭happytramp


    dahat wrote: »
    I’d say Sam has signed elsewhere & unwilling to commit to the TDF when not 100% especially when he is being crucified on socials/ internet by DQS.

    They we're pretty supportive of him until the announcement.. Lefevere's response has obviously been awful.. But then he's just seen his plans for the tour (multiple stage wins/green jersey) go up in smoke.


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    #1680
    CramCycle
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    retalivity wrote: »
    Cav should be leading out Morkov!

    Indeed, and Cav showed he can be a good lead out man in Bahrain, he certainly can still read the road at an insane speed.


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    #1681
    dahat
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    happytramp wrote: »
    They we're pretty supportive of him until the announcement.. Lefevere's response has obviously been awful.. But then he's just seen his plans for the tour (multiple stage wins/green jersey) go up in smoke.

    He said weeks ago that Sam was leaving & he wouldn’t match offers to keep him. His conduct publicity in regard to this has been awful.


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