Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

prunudo · 21-06-2021 07:40PM

charlie14 wrote: »

I`m not over hyping any variant, and I do not see the Delta variant as being a problem for our next level of re-opening.

I have said all along that we are fortunate in that the U.K. with higher levels of vaccination gave us a road map to follow which to date has been successful.
We are now in the position to see how this Delta variant works out for them before we go to the following levels of reopening.

It`s inevitable that numbers due to this variant will rise here, but if we can keep it to a manageable level while we increase the numbers vaccinated all the better, but we are not going to do that without some restrictions. It would be foolish to believe otherwise.

You took me up wrong, I was referring to the cmo, not you. He needs to ease off on the negativity and constantly being concerned.

john_doe. · 21-06-2021 07:40PM

Does anyone know what current situation is with funerals and the restrictions?

21-06-2021 07:42PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judge-asks-health-minister-to-explain-why-hotels-can-serve-people-indoors-while-other-restaurants-restricted-to-outdoor-dining-40562389.html

Was only a matter of time ! Can't wait to see what reply mister Donnelly comes up with probably tell the judge to talk to Tony as he doesn't make the decision !

Sure he only has to review this thread and all of the considered and all-knowing responses in it to find the answer to that.

charlie14 · 21-06-2021 07:43PM

Klonker wrote: »

It's discriminatory is the point. No difference or safer eating inside a hotel than a restaurant. It's like saying we'll allow restaurants with blue walls to open but not ones with white walls because there's more with white walls and we don't want them all to open.

Is it any more discriminating than allowing 500 into Croke Park rather than 80,000.
It`s phased reopening based on numbers. It`s not some kind of vendetta against restaurants or for that matter the GAA, any sporting body, or concert venue.

TheDoctor · 21-06-2021 07:43PM

charlie14 wrote: »

Regardless of how you phrase the question, 32% favouring "Once most people are vaccinated, life should return to the way it was before Covid" Compared to 65% favouring "Even when most people are vaccinated, some precautions should remain in place such as mask wearing in shops" does show much appetite in the general public for the ditching of restrictions while reopening in stages.

A very sad reflection of society if those numbers are true

Penfailed · 21-06-2021 07:45PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Tony is at it again it seems. IT reporting:

Surely a coincidence that we're getting close to the next decision point by the Government....

A coincidence that a more transmissible variant is becoming more prevalent?

zackory · 21-06-2021 07:46PM

charlie14 wrote: »

Is it any more discriminating than allowing 500 into Croke Park rather than 80,000.
It`s phased reopening based on numbers. It`s not some kind of vendetta against restaurants or for that matter the GAA, any sporting body, or concert venue.

Have you any source for this hotels can use your credit card for contact tracing line you are peddling?

charlie14 · 21-06-2021 07:47PM

prunudo wrote: »

You took me up wrong, I was referring to the cmo, not you. He needs to ease off on the negativity and constantly being concerned.

No different to the U.K. or NI CMO. It`s their job to give advice as to how the see it. It`s then up to the governments whether they follow that advise or not.

zackory · 21-06-2021 07:47PM

Penfailed wrote: »

A coincidence that a more transmissible variant is becoming more prevalent?

Is it 14 we have in ICU, if delta gets going what might we end up with, 20?

zackory · 21-06-2021 07:49PM

charlie14 wrote: »

No different to the U.K. or NI CMO. It`s their job to give advice as to how the see it. It`s then up to the governments whether they follow that advise or not.

Did Tony advise them to open hotels and use credit cards for tracing?

Penfailed · 21-06-2021 07:50PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

At this rate the UK won't be easing the restrictions in July

Jesus. Do you ever stop with the doom and gloom forecasts?

Penfailed · 21-06-2021 07:52PM

zackory wrote: »

Is it 14 we have in ICU, if delta gets going what might we end up with, 20?

Completely different point. But go ahead.

_Kaiser_ · 21-06-2021 07:53PM

Penfailed wrote: »

A coincidence that a more transmissible variant is becoming more prevalent?

A "coincidence" that he's starting his public-pressure campaign shortly before the Government reaches its next decision point for the next steps.

He's done it before, he's at it again. Thankfully though very very few seem to be listening to the guy this time round.

It was only a matter of time really. He should have remembered the story of the Boy who Cried Wolf

charlie14 · 21-06-2021 07:54PM

zackory wrote: »

Have you any source for this hotels can use your credit card for contact tracing line you are peddling?

You do pedantic much ?
If you somehow believe hotels taking your credit card details means nothing, next time you are in one walk out without paying and see how long it takes them to trace you.

Penfailed · 21-06-2021 07:55PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

A "coincidence" that he's starting his public-pressure campaign shortly before the Government reaches its next decision point for the next steps.

He's done it before, he's at it again. Thankfully though very very few seem to be listening to the guy this time round.

It was only a matter of time really. He should have remembered the story of the Boy who Cried Wolf

It would be completely remiss of the CMO to ignore a variant of concern because the timing doesn't suit you. Yes, it's a coincidence.

zackory · 21-06-2021 07:55PM

Full House in Copenhagen but here we are concerned about the delta variant.

charlie14 · 21-06-2021 07:56PM

zackory wrote: »

Did Tony advise them to open hotels and use credit cards for tracing?

Hotels have been using credit cards to trace people long before Covid. But you know this don`t you !

Aph2016 · 21-06-2021 07:58PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

A "coincidence" that he's starting his public-pressure campaign shortly before the Government reaches its next decision point for the next steps.

He's done it before, he's at it again. Thankfully though very very few seem to be listening to the guy this time round.

It was only a matter of time really. He should have remembered the story of the Boy who Cried Wolf

Right on schedule.

zackory · 21-06-2021 07:59PM

charlie14 wrote: »

You do pedantic much ?
If you somehow believe hotels taking your credit card details means nothing, next time you are in one walk out without paying and see how long it takes them to trace you.

So nobody in government is saying we can use credit cards for hotel contact tracing. I am concluding this because you have been asked for a source several times and keep deflecting

Source please.

zackory · 21-06-2021 08:00PM

charlie14 wrote: »

Hotels have been using credit cards to trace people long before Covid. But you know this don`t you !

Contact tracing in relation to covid. Who is your official source for this?

zackory · 21-06-2021 08:01PM

Penfailed wrote: »

It would be completely remiss of the CMO to ignore a variant of concern because the timing doesn't suit you. Yes, it's a coincidence.

Do you think the CMO in Denmark is concerned?

This is beyond farce now.

hamburgham · 21-06-2021 08:02PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

Longest combined national lockdown in the world per that table at 227 days.

We were very unlucky in this country to be the worst effected in the world.

I wish people would stop describing it as the ‘strictest’ lockdown in the world. Strictness in my mind can be positive. It was the most cowardly lockdown in the world.

gozunda · 21-06-2021 08:07PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Tony is at it again it seems. IT reporting:

Latest Covid-19 figures show a “concerning increase in transmission of the Delta variant in Ireland”, chief medical officer Dr Tony Holohan has said.

“We estimate that Delta accounts for up to 20% of cases reported in the last week.

“We have also seen a number of outbreaks associated with this variant reported in the last week,” Dr Holohan said in Twitter post on Monday evening.

Surely a coincidence that we're getting close to the next decision point by the Government....

You think he's making up that figure?

zackory · 21-06-2021 08:14PM

Can anybody explain why Denmark have a packed stadium and we can't?

Stheno · 21-06-2021 08:16PM

zackory wrote: »

Can anybody explain why Denmark have a packed stadium and we can't?

20x the amount of testing every day for one?

charlie14 · 21-06-2021 08:22PM

zackory wrote: »

So nobody in government is saying we can use credit cards for hotel contact tracing. I am concluding this because you have been asked for a source several times and keep deflecting

Source please.

Somebody tests positive. "Where have you been and who have you been in contact with"? "I was a few days in a hotel". Hotel is contacted which will not only have the names of those who next used that room, but also those that used the table after you for breakfast and dinner.
Now where do you imagine the hotel will get these names from ?

growleaves · 21-06-2021 08:22PM

Penfailed wrote: »

It would be completely remiss of the CMO to ignore a variant of concern because the timing doesn't suit you. Yes, it's a coincidence.

As I've said previously, there will always be reasons to be afraid.

The danger of a drip drip reopening is if we go back into lockdown in winter we will back to square one and the next so-called 're-opening' could again drag and barely get past the halfway line.

CruelSummer · 21-06-2021 08:22PM

zackory wrote: »

Can anybody explain why Denmark have a packed stadium and we can't?

Antigen tests

zackory · 21-06-2021 08:26PM

charlie14 wrote: »

Somebody tests positive. "Where have you been and who have you been in contact with"? "I was a few days in a hotel". Hotel is contacted which will not only have the names of those who next used that room, but also those that used the table after you for breakfast and dinner.
Now where do you imagine the hotel will get these names from ?

So covid regulations require hotels to log who sat at which table for breakfast and who was sitting at that table after you.

Do you have a link to this in the Failte Ireland guidelines please, I must have missed it.

Deeper Blue · 21-06-2021 08:27PM

zackory wrote: »

Can anybody explain why Denmark have a packed stadium and we can't?

Because we're concerned

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings