Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

charlie14 wrote: »

Not that it matters as the case will not be heard until after restaurants are open, but I don`t see him having much difficulty answering.
The numbers for breakfast, lunch or dinner in a hotel is limited to the number of residents in a hotel at any given time, and with hotels requiring credit card details upon check in are easily traced should there be a need to.
Neither would be the case with restaurants.

Yeah.

Still doesn’t give any answer to why one is ok and the others not from a health point of view.

zackory wrote: »

Sure wasn't taking a persons name for contact tracing all the go in restaurants last summer.

Are you saying this method is flawed?

I can see where it now could be considered flawed compared to hotel resident dining.
Unlike hotels where upon check-in details are taken, restaurants only asked for a name and phone number. Unless you do, I don`t know of any that checked if the name or phone number was correct last Summer.

charlie14 wrote: »

I would have thought it simple enough. Hotel dining, unlike restaurants, limited to the number of residents, and traceability by means of hotel credit card details should someone test positive

So dining in a hotel you’re less likely to get covid? Got it

Deeper Blue wrote: »

Tony is always concerned about something. Why should we care at this stage?

You're not wrong, concerned when its 500 cases, concerned when its 2000, concerned when its 6000, concerned at street drinking, concerned about funerals, concerned about variants.

It inflates his ego as he addresses the echo chamber of his twitter followers but reality is, its just background noise now for the majority of the general public.

TheDoctor wrote: »

So dining in a hotel you’re less likely to get covid? Got it

Not what I said, but a regular occurrence here when the reply doesn`t suit.

charlie14 wrote: »

Not what I said, but a regular occurrence here when the reply doesn`t suit.

Yeah but getting covid is the only relevant part of this. So if you’re no less likely to get it in a restaurant than a hotel then no excuse for one to be closed and one open.

Multipass wrote: »

I dined outdoors today for the first time since covid. I can state categorically that I don't ever want to do it again - pure misery holding everything down so it couldn’t blow away, and freezing cold. Sheer stupidity, what date do we get let back inside again?

I definitely wouldn't eat in certain spots in this wind but I've had a few meals out now in places with decent outdoor areas and have had a great time, especially with the nice weather.

TheDoctor wrote: »

It’s supposed to be 2 weeks but Tony is concerned

Jesus, vaccinations aren’t enough now. They’ve lost the plot.

prunudo wrote: »

You're not wrong, concerned when its 500 cases, concerned when its 2000, concerned when its 6000, concerned at street drinking, concerned about funerals, concerned about variants.

It inflates his ego as he addresses the echo chamber of his twitter followers but reality is, its just background noise now for the majority of the general public.

When it comes to this "open everything right away with no restrictions" then the majority of the general public are not in favour according to the latest opinion poll. 2 to 1 against in fact.

zackory wrote: »

Is this something you are coming up with yourself or is it an official source?

Restaurants are limited by the number of tables, many restaurants are tiny compared to bigger hotels anyway.

Not everybody uses credit cards to reserve hotel rooms either.

And when the sh1t really hit the fan last Christmas I never heard of any hotel or restaurant being contacted for records of who was there.

Hotels are limited by the number of residents and would have dining tables proportional to the number of bedrooms for breakfast especially, and for dinner. There would be no limit on the numbers a restaurant could serve daily regardless of the size.

I didn`t say credit cards to reserve hotels. I said hotels look for credit card details on check-in. I don`t know about you, but for work I have travelled all over the country and I cannot remember the last time I didn`t have to provide credit card details upon checking in.

charlie14 wrote: »

When it comes to this "open everything right away with no restrictions" then the majority of the general public are not in favour according to the latest opinion poll. 2 to 1 against in fact.

20% of cases being Delta isn't a concern, its inevitable its going to take hold.
It would be a concern if the vulnerable weren't vaccinated and our hospitals were being inundated with cases. But they're not.
By all means keep an eye on things but he needs to lay off the constant concern and hyping up an overly negative outlook on the current situation.

Multipass wrote: »

Jesus, vaccinations aren’t enough now. They’ve lost the plot.

Vaccination program will come to an end.

Be told we aren’t where we need to be.

charlie14 wrote: »

The poster I was replying to was off the opinion that restrictions were now just background noise to the majority of the general public. The latest opinion polls would suggest quite the opposite by a 2 to 1 majority.

And as I said a few days ago, that poll should be taken with a grain of salt..

- people who are quite happy working from home and watching with dismay the calls from businesses for a return to the city centres

- the impact of 15 months of fear mongering and hysteria on people's mental health

- the questions that were asked and how they were phrased

- a media outlet making a fortune from the advertising bought for the last year in a sector where traditional news outlets and newspaper sales have been declining for years

Looking at the reactions to Tony's tweet tonight, coupled with the scenes of big crowds happily ignoring the radio ads telling them to treat each other as potential plague carriers, and the fact that the hospitalisation numbers are tiny and have been for weeks going into months now, and it's probably fair to say that the poll doesn't exactly line up with the reality.

prunudo wrote: »

20% of cases being Delta isn't a concern, its inevitable its going to take hold.
It would be a concern if the vulnerable weren't vaccinated and our hospitals were being inundated with cases. But they're not.
By all means keep an eye on things but he needs to lay off the constant concern and hyping up an overly negative outlook on the current situation.

I`m not over hyping any variant, and I do not see the Delta variant as being a problem for our next level of re-opening.

I have said all along that we are fortunate in that the U.K. with higher levels of vaccination gave us a road map to follow which to date has been successful.
We are now in the position to see how this Delta variant works out for them before we go to the following levels of reopening.

It`s inevitable that numbers due to this variant will rise here, but if we can keep it to a manageable level while we increase the numbers vaccinated all the better, but we are not going to do that without some restrictions. It would be foolish to believe otherwise.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

And as I said a few days ago, that poll should be taken with a grain of salt..

- people who are quite happy working from home and watching with dismay the calls from businesses for a return to the city centres

- the impact of 15 months of fear mongering and hysteria on people's mental health

- the questions that were asked and how they were phrased

- a media outlet making a fortune from the advertising bought for the last year in a sector where traditional news outlets and newspaper sales have been declining for years

Looking at the reactions to Tony's tweet tonight, coupled with the scenes of big crowds happily ignoring the radio ads telling them to treat each other as potential plague carriers, and the fact that the hospitalisation numbers are tiny and have been for weeks going into months now, and it's probably fair to say that the poll doesn't exactly line up with the reality.

Regardless of how you phrase the question, 32% favouring "Once most people are vaccinated, life should return to the way it was before Covid" Compared to 65% favouring "Even when most people are vaccinated, some precautions should remain in place such as mask wearing in shops" does show much appetite in the general public for the ditching of restrictions while reopening in stages.