The Pat Kenny Show

Technocentral · 17-06-2021 10:19AM

Cole wrote: »

He was imo...but we can all agree to disagree.

Who do you think is better now so? For me him and Marian Finnucane were the only Irish current affairs radio broadcasters worth listening too.

meeeeh · 17-06-2021 10:27AM

Cole wrote: »

As for the Catholic Church comparison...Jaysus, I'll just leave that one there.

I have a theory that nobody really questioned the harshest restrictions in Europe because we were shamed in complying. We had to repent for 3 months after not achieving 0 Covid in the summer. Then in the December we opened up an from January we were back to we have to lock the country up because we sinned rhetoric. One top of that we are told we can only stay safe if we stay locked up as long as possible. It's sin and repent circle for the last year.

Why is nobody asking why country with low population density, one family dwellings and more controllable borders than Schengen needed harsher restrictions?

Technocentral · 17-06-2021 10:28AM

That Henry bloke is becoming tedious.

17-06-2021 10:30AM

Technocentral wrote: »

Who do you think is better now so? For me him and Marian Finnucane were the only Irish current affairs radio broadcasters worth listening too.

Sarah McInerney?

If I were a politician who found myself in a disaster of my own making, there are a few broadcasters I'd go out of my way to avoid: Pat Kenny and Sarah McInerney. Maybe Boucher-Hayes, too.

The rest of them will only ask benevolent, weak questions. Brendan O'Connor, for example, must have a queue of ministers outside his studio, such is his reputation for tea and sympathy.

Cole · 17-06-2021 10:32AM

Technocentral wrote: »

Who do you think is better now so? For me him and Marian Finnucane were the only Irish current affairs radio broadcasters worth listening too.

Pat and Marian were my two 'must listens' for years. As for who is better than Pat now...to be honest, I don't really have an answer. Maybe he's the best of a bad lot, but he's a shadow of what he once was. I'd rather listen to a 'lesser' broadcaster who brings some balance, less ranting, less arrogance and fewer unhinged comments on how much they know or how right they are.

meeeeh · 17-06-2021 10:35AM

I actually like Brendan O'Connor. I think there is space for that kind of presenter too. It can be more informative than getting bogged down into some argument and not moving anywhere. Sometimes politicians need to be challenged but sometimes it achieves nothing.

Technocentral · 17-06-2021 10:50AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Sarah McInerney?

If I were a politician who found myself in a disaster of my own making, there are a few broadcasters I'd go out of my way to avoid: Pat Kenny and Sarah McInerney. Maybe Boucher-Hayes, too.

The rest of them will only ask benevolent, weak questions. Brendan O'Connor, for example, must have a queue of ministers outside his studio, such is his reputation for tea and sympathy.

I've never listened to her she clashes with the PK show.

meeeeh · 17-06-2021 10:55AM

Technocentral wrote: »

I've never listened to her she clashes with the PK show.

She clashes with Hard Shoulder. She is not too bad. However I have Moncrieff on and I don't bother switching after that. I usually go to Spotify at 12 and usually don't bother till three. Life is too short to listen to Lunchtime Live or Duffy.

MrMusician18 · 17-06-2021 10:56AM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Honestly, I think that after, more than, a year of not getting an answer as to why we never used antigen testing, while getting expert advice that they are a useful “tool”, has gotten to him.

There seems to be evidence backing him up, although NPHET have their own evidence against them, but it’s coming across like the early advice against the wearing of masks.

He’s been smelling a rat for a long time and it’s bothering him now.

We did get the answer. It's not used because it is useless at catching preinfectious individuals. It's not used because it is far too easy to administer a self test incorrectly to produce a false negative. It was felt that having these tests out there would increase the likelihood of undesirable behaviour occuring.

Pat's a genuinely good broadcaster, but this hobby horse that he's been on for the past year is completely tiresome at this point. I'm sick of listening to the same argument and I turn off when I hear it. I literally couldn't listen him and Luke "you see" O'Neill today

meeeeh · 17-06-2021 11:07AM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

We did get the answer. It's not used because it is useless at catching preinfectious individuals. It's not used because it is far too easy to administer a self test incorrectly to produce a false negative. It was felt that having these tests out there would increase the likelihood of undesirable behaviour.

That's my point. Lock them up and treat them as naughty children. Germans were asking people to take antigen test before they go to hairdressers or non essential shop trusting them they will behave as responsible adults. Their caee numbers are perfectly fine now and there was no huge spike because people were using butter to fake test results.

EmmetSpiceland · 17-06-2021 11:11AM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

We did get the answer. It's not used because it is useless at catching preinfectious individuals. It's not used because it is far too easy to administer a self test incorrectly to produce a false negative. It was felt that having these tests out there would increase the likelihood of undesirable behaviour occuring.

Pat's a genuinely good broadcaster, but this hobby horse that he's been on for the past year is completely tiresome at this point. I'm sick of listening to the same argument and I turn off when I hear it. I literally couldn't listen him and Luke "you see" O'Neill today

We got that answer after over a year of asking and now the answer is having a number of holes poked into it.

Even the ‘Breakfast Show’ had a lad one saying that what NPHET were saying was a misunderstanding.

At the start Pat was talking about using them on hospital staff. He logic was that it was cheaper, and better, to give a worker an antigen test every morning rather than sending them home for a couple of weeks.

I, honestly, don’t know who’s right or who’s wrong but it did strike me as odd that we never used them and it was annoying to constantly hear people avoid answering Pat’s questions on them whenever he asked.

SureYWouldntYa · 17-06-2021 11:12AM

meeeeh wrote: »

I actually like Brendan O'Connor. I think there is space for that kind of presenter too. It can be more informative than getting bogged down into some argument and not moving anywhere. Sometimes politicians need to be challenged but sometimes it achieves nothing.

The below is a great video on Padraig Flynn, but it makes the great point about how Gay Byrne conducted his interview in a different way than someone like Vincent Browne would have, and how you can just give someone the rope to hang themselves rather than you trying to strangle them yourself

EmmetSpiceland · 17-06-2021 11:27AM

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

The below is a great video on Padraig Flynn, but it makes the great point about how Gay Byrne conducted his interview in a different way than someone like Vincent Browne would have, and how you can just give someone the rope to hang themselves rather than you trying to strangle them yourself

I believe Sarah McInerney did something similar to Eoghan Harris recently enough.

MrMusician18 · 17-06-2021 01:35PM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

We got that answer after over a year of asking and now the answer is having a number of holes poked into it.

Even the ‘Breakfast Show’ had a lad one saying that what NPHET were saying was a misunderstanding.

At the start Pat was talking about using them on hospital staff. He logic was that it was cheaper, and better, to give a worker an antigen test every morning rather than sending them home for a couple of weeks.

I, honestly, don’t know who’s right or who’s wrong but it did strike me as odd that we never used them and it was annoying to constantly hear people avoid answering Pat’s questions on them whenever he asked.

No. It was the answer we got 9 to 12 months ago. The answer was just not acceptable to Pat.

Cole · 17-06-2021 02:00PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

We did get the answer. It's not used because it is useless at catching preinfectious individuals. It's not used because it is far too easy to administer a self test incorrectly to produce a false negative. It was felt that having these tests out there would increase the likelihood of undesirable behaviour occuring.

Pat's a genuinely good broadcaster, but this hobby horse that he's been on for the past year is completely tiresome at this point. I'm sick of listening to the same argument and I turn off when I hear it. I literally couldn't listen him and Luke "you see" O'Neill today

I understand when people get a bit p1ssed off when they feel that (some of) NPHET's reasons for not endorsing all modes of antigen testing is because the public can't be trusted, but Dr Ray Walley made the point on Drivetime yesterday that GPs in the UK are seeing evidence of some of this "undesirable behaviour" in self-testing (e.g. symptomatic people just relying on negative antigen tests/not following up for a PCR). You only have to leave the house to to see plenty of people doing all kinds of irresponsible things all the time.

I think Kingston Mills made a stronger argument in favour of antigen testing in general, but at least we got to hear some bit of balance/nuance as to why NPHET have been so cautious (maybe too much)...without the presenter or Kingston laughing at them as if they were idiots.

Klonker · 17-06-2021 02:01PM

Must be in the minority here but I love Pat's antigen test rants and I agree with him 100%. I think NPHET deserve to be laughed at after yesterday's showing.

They were in front of the transport committee who are looking into professionally administered tests, not self administered ones. Yet NPHET repeatedly stated results on self administered tests and even at that purposefully misled with it. They stated 52% accuracy against PCR which is true but what antigen tests are supposed to be used for is to find infectious cases and the same test had an 80% accuracy. What's the point locking up people who are not infectious, nothing to be gained from that only damaging our economy and people's freedoms.

EmmetSpiceland · 17-06-2021 02:45PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

No. It was the answer we got 9 to 12 months ago. The answer was just not acceptable to Pat.

Did we? Any time Pat brought it up with ministers, or government experts, on the show no answer was forthcoming.

The only time anyone answered was fairly recent. Stephen Donnelly agreed with NPHET and then we had that whole unreliable results guy the other day. Just seems odd that they are being used in other countries if they are, allegedly, useless.

meeeeh · 17-06-2021 03:15PM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Did we? Any time Pat brought it up with ministers, or government experts, on the show no answer was forthcoming.

The only time anyone answered was fairly recent. Stephen Donnelly agreed with NPHET and then we had that whole unreliable results guy the other day. Just seems odd that they are being used in other countries if they are, allegedly, useless.

I don't think the problem are the tests, they don't trust people.

I'm not sure Stephen Donnelly agreed with NPHET. I think Ryan's response today indicated that government won't go against Tony Holohan. They had their commission checking the antigen tests that recommended them but two people against were NPHET and HSE rep and until they are on board the government won't do anything. I would prefer government that doesn't just rubber stamp whatever it said but they all have one eye at opinion polls. Even SF refuses to criticise NPHET and just pretend last week when they were shouting for airport antigen testing didn't happen.

Cole · 17-06-2021 03:41PM

Klonker wrote: »

Must be in the minority here but I love Pat's antigen test rants and I agree with him 100%. I think NPHET deserve to be laughed at after yesterday's showing.

Questioned, challenged, criticised...yes...but laughed at? That's a very easy NO from where I stand...especially in the context of what they've been trying to do over the last 15 months for the public health of the country. Have they got everything right...no (imo). Have they been too cautious on certain things...maybe.

And then there's the context of a highly paid radio host broadcasting from his very comfortable home (I presume) in Dalkey for the duration of the health crisis doing the laughing and sneering, when he doesn't have to deal with any policy decisions (or the consequences) in relation to anything related to covid-19.

meeeeh · 17-06-2021 04:16PM

Cole wrote: »

Questioned, challenged, criticised...yes...but laughed at? That's a very easy NO from where I stand...especially in the context of what they've been trying to do over the last 15 months for the public health of the country. Have they got everything right...no (imo). Have they been too cautious on certain things...maybe.

And then there's the context of a highly paid radio host broadcasting from his very comfortable home (I presume) in Dalkey for the duration of the health crisis doing the laughing and sneering, when he doesn't have to deal with any policy decisions (or the consequences) in relation to anything related to covid-19.

There is also a context of very well paid public servants preaching how people will fake antigen testing with butter. They are not affected. At the same time you have building industry closed for 4 months without anyone checking how antigen tests would work. You have one state sponsored charity concert with people almost put into cattle pods so they wouldn't mix and we are told there is no point to trial antigen testing.

Entertainment industry is on the knees, there is several lack of houses being built and we are we can't use antigen testing because people will cheat. It is farcical.

I'm actually becoming like Pat so I will stop ranting but I do have one question. They said they can't use antigen testing for air travel. Was there a comprehensive study done that pcr testing 3 days prior to departure works?

Cole · 17-06-2021 04:25PM

meeeeh wrote: »

There is also a context of very well paid public servants preaching how people will fake antigen testing with butter. They are not affected. At the same time you have building industry closed for 4 months without anyone checking how antigen tests would work. You have one state sponsored charity concert with people almost put into cattle pods so they wouldn't mix and we are told there is no point to trial antigen testing.

Entertainment industry is on the knees, there is several lack of houses being built and we are we can't use antigen testing because people will cheat. It is farcical.

This would all fall under the questioning, challenging and criticising (of the gov too) that I mentioned and that everyone is entitled to do.

meeeeh wrote: »

I'm actually becoming like Pat so I will stop ranting but I do have one question. They said they can't use antigen testing for air travel. Was there a comprehensive study done that pcr testing 3 days prior to departure works?

I can't help you there...but we all know a man who surely can.

2smiggy · 18-06-2021 07:59AM

meeeeh wrote: »

I'm actually becoming like Pat so I will stop ranting but I do have one question. They said they can't use antigen testing for air travel. Was there a comprehensive study done that pcr testing 3 days prior to departure works?

from what I understand , the PCR test picks up on infection, pre, post and while infectious.

Antigen only apparently picks up on when you are infectious , not pre or post.

I suppose the worry is people taking an antigen test pre infection and getting on a plane going on holidays , or coming back from holidays.

What ever it is I'm sick of the whole thing. The only answer is vaccinations in the long run. No amount of testing and tracing and fapping around is going to solve the thing.

Infoanon · 18-06-2021 08:21AM

2smiggy wrote: »

What ever it is I'm sick of the whole thing. The only answer is vaccinations in the long run. No amount of testing and tracing and fapping around is going to solve the thing.

Exactly - there's a report out to day in the UK that they need to vaccinate children as they cannot rely on antigen testing ,real world has shown they are producing on average 1/3 false positives and in a school setting the results for one particular week were 60% false positives.

Vaccines are the answer.

The current contributer, Bill Emmet - an economist, on world wide herd immunity is aready back tracking on his claims for 2021 - end of 2022 is generally accepted as being more likely.

Hector Savage · 18-06-2021 08:25AM

Infoanon wrote: »
Exactly - there's a report out to day in the UK that they need to vaccinate children as they cannot rely on antigen testing ,real world has shown they are producing on average 1/3 false positives and in a school setting the results for one particular week were 60% false positives.

Vaccines are the answer.

The current contributer, Bill Emmet - an economist, on world wide herd immunity is aready back tracking on his claims for 2021 - end of 2022 is generally accepted as being more likely.

So goalposts shifted again, now all kids need to be vaccinated, farcical absolutely farcical.

Infoanon · 18-06-2021 08:46AM

Excellent interview with Peter Boylan - this is what Pat Kenny excels at and why it's normally well worth listening to.

2smiggy · 18-06-2021 09:54AM

'Pat , have you ever slept in a camper van' - Henry McKean

'No' - Pat :pac::pac:

not an unexpected answer

Hector Savage · 18-06-2021 10:18AM

Infoanon wrote: »

Excellent interview with Peter Boylan - this is what Pat Kenny excels at and why it's normally well worth listening to.

Didn't hear it , but let me guess, he recommends another decade of lockdown to "hold firm" .... "crucial days ahead" ....

EmmetSpiceland · 18-06-2021 10:25AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Didn't hear it , but let me guess, he recommends another decade of lockdown to "hold firm" .... "crucial days ahead" ....

Nah, was more about the new maternity hospital being under church control. He’s not a fan.

Busi_Girl08 · 18-06-2021 11:25AM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Nah, was more about the new maternity hospital being under church control. He’s not a fan.

Loved his admonishment of WHO's advice for women of a child-bearing age.

"Women have enough to be worrying about!" :pac:

whisky_galore · 18-06-2021 11:28AM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Nah, was more about the new maternity hospital being under church control. He’s not a fan.

The sooner the hardline adherents of this cult die out, the better.

The Pat Kenny Show

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