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  • 12-06-2021 12:24pm
    #1
    sunnyday1234
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    Hi All

    I am good enough at DIY and have successfully laid floors etc but i recently bought a new interior door and i just cant get it right.

    I have attached the 3 hinges but the door wont close (not even with a push ) so its a good bit off, but im stumped as to what is causing it.

    When i go to close it and stand behind it it does look like the gap between the door frame and the architrave is too big and the door needs to go in further on the architrave if that makes sense but the hinge is in as far as it can go.

    Any pointers ?


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    #2
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users Posts: 7,506 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    have yoy a pic
    is the door hitting the rebate of the frame on the other side


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    policarp
    Registered Users Posts: 3,658 ✭✭✭policarp


    Hanging a door is easy if everything is right.
    Door could be in twist.
    Frame could be in twist.
    Both could be off square.
    Door frame could be bowed.
    Hinges set to wrong depth.
    As Pen Turner says post a pic.


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    Fils
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    Architrave has no bearing on a door operation. It’s for decoration.


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    kadman
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    Sounds like the hinges are not sunk deep enough into
    the door or frame, or both.

    Normally each leaf of the hinge is sunk flush into the door
    and same in the frame.


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    jmBuildExt
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭jmBuildExt


    +1 on the hinges not being flush.

    Failing that, I'll add;
    Make sure all hinges are fitted perpendicular to the door and frame (if that makes sense)
    Does it work any better if e.g. the middle hinge is removed?


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    the_pen_turner
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    kadman wrote: »
    Sounds like the hinges are not sunk deep enough into
    the door or frame, or both.

    Normally each leaf of the hinge is sunk flush into the door
    and same in the frame.

    I would think they are sunk too far in rather than not enough.
    Sounds like the door is hitting the frame on the hindges side


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    jmBuildExt
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭jmBuildExt


    Could be either or - the following sentence leaves it kind of ambiguous. Doesn't mention which side the gap is.

    sunnyday1234 wrote: »
    Hi All

    When i go to close it and stand behind it it does look like the gap between the door frame and the architrave is too big and the door needs to go in further on the architrave if that makes sense but the hinge is in as far as it can go.

    Definition of "not closing" would be handy :) - OP - is it binding on hinge side or hitting the frame on the lock side?


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    kadman
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    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    I would think they are sunk too far in rather than not enough.
    Sounds like the door is hitting the frame on the hindges side

    Door needing to move further to the architrave, on the hinge side, means not sunk deep enough.

    Needing to move further on the lock side, means sunk too deep.

    So one of us is definitely right.:D

    The suspense is killing me:p


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    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users Posts: 7,506 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    kadman wrote: »
    Door needing to move further to the architrave, on the hinge side, means not sunk deep enough.

    Needing to move further on the lock side, means sunk too deep.

    So one of us is definitely right.:D

    The suspense is killing me:p

    Not necessarily. The door could be too wide. 🀣🀣🀣

    You could be right.
    I think we need pics
    I was inteperating it as the door was open few degrees and wouldn't close in when shoved


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    kadman
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    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    Not necessarily. The door could be too wide. ������

    You could be right.
    I think we need pics
    I was inteperating it as the door was open few degrees and wouldn't close in when shoved

    Presumably the op fitted the door into the ope before any hinges were attached,
    so that the correct clearances were around the door first.
    Thats the rule of thumb before fitting any door furniture.

    I agree we need pics....now mister:D:D:D


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    tabby aspreme
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    Anything is possible with current door hanging, these lads were run off a job I sorted a while ago, architrave on the wrong way around and an attempt to recess hinges on the face of the frame


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    LenWoods
    Registered Users Posts: 617 ✭✭✭LenWoods


    I'm waiting on a door company to take back an oak door which was delivered the wrong size,
    It's slightly wider than the size which we ordered,
    Could be similar issue with yours but not noticed until now.


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    kadman
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    LenWoods wrote: »
    I'm waiting on a door company to take back an oak door which was delivered the wrong size,
    It's slightly wider than the size which we ordered,
    Could be similar issue with yours but not noticed until now.

    How much is slightly. I doubt you are ever going to get a perfect match for your frame opes.

    And if its only slightly wider, why would you be sending it back??

    Slightly larger door, gives you the material to get a perfect fit into an existing frame.


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    LenWoods
    Registered Users Posts: 617 ✭✭✭LenWoods


    kadman wrote: »
    How much is slightly. I doubt you are ever going to get a perfect match for your frame opes.

    And if its only slightly wider, why would you be sending it back??

    Slightly larger door, gives you the material to get a perfect fit into an existing frame.
    It's 864mm wide and the other two are 813mm wide
    So it's 51mm too wide for our home.

    pncniAP3j

    pmGK5dy1j

    The finish is pre-varnished oak as saw above; so cutting a bit off would of course take away from the finish; if they were to be painted it could be cut,
    Had a professional carpenter in to fit all Deanta doors, frames and flooring, I had mentioned trimming and was advised best to return it for the correct size in order to retain the finish which we agreed as not to risk impacting the finish.


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    kadman
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    Yep, stock sizes, and you got the wrong size right enough.
    Good call from the chippy, as i know some would rip the door to size.

    Either way after a bit of fitting, there is always the possibility that the finish needs a bit of touching up,
    but nothing serious.

    K.


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    sunnyday1234
    Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭sunnyday1234


    Thanks very much all, and the prize goes to "hinges not sunk deep enough", i have sunk them more now and they are much better

    will drag it up the stairs and try again...

    I have made a right bags of this tbh but its a learning experience


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    kadman
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    kadman wrote: »
    Sounds like the hinges are not sunk deep enough into
    the door or frame, or both.

    Normally each leaf of the hinge is sunk flush into the door
    and same in the frame.

    Winner winner chicken dinner.

    Where do i go to collect my prize.:D:D

    Of course i had an unfair advantage, i used to contract fit for costelloe doors:P


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    the_pen_turner
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    kadman wrote: »
    Winner winner chicken dinner.

    Where do i go to collect my prize.:D:D

    Of course i had an unfair advantage, i used to contract fit for costelloe doors:P

    are they known for badly fitted doors:P:P:P:P:P


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    kadman
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    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    are they known for badly fitted doors:P:P:P:P:P

    Not my ones :D

    This was many many years ago, when door fitting was first set up as a business.

    But their imported doors were pure crap. I was taking out better doors than I was fitting.
    And this was where we parted ways, as I told the customers exactly this.

    Funny thing was they still wanted the indonesian crap. I took out some beautiful burmese teak doors that ended up as shed doors.

    I was carrying 5 doors on an aluminium roof rack, on a Fiat 127:D:D
    I laughed in the face of danger:p:p

    I could not in all good concience keep fitting these, so I pulled the pin.


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    policarp
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    Oh! Costello doors.
    Cuban girlfriend door fitter.
    Then Estate Agent.


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    #22
    sunnyday1234
    Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭sunnyday1234


    ok so door still not closing :-) It closes with a good hard push alright so is definetely better than it was

    Any ideas ? Seems to be catching more in the middle than anywhere else , the hinge is flush but the middle hinge in the picture attached isnt flush in the door jamb but its not possible to push it in any further.

    Screws are a little out in that picture but even when tightened , the hinge wont slide in any more


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    kadman
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    Sounds like its hinge bound. The door is too close to the frame rebate.

    Loosen the hinge on the frame at the top leaf, and let the door weight pull it from the frame outwards.
    Re position a screw to hold it there.
    Loosen the bottom hinge leaf on the frame, and prise out the door from the frame, reposition
    a screw to hold it there.

    Door should close.


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    kadman
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    There must be some contact between the head of the door frame and the door, or
    between the hinge side of the frame and the door, preventing full closure.

    This is what is meant by hinge bound.


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    #25
    sunnyday1234
    Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭sunnyday1234


    ok so let it out a bit and still not closing. Top of the door looks like it will close fine, its the middle and the bottom that is the issue and now if i lie on the floor and look at the bottom of the door its higher at the end nearest the frame with the hinges and lower at the other side, as if its falling down a bit.


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    kadman
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    Close the door, and take a pic of the top, middle, and bottom hinge
    from the room side of the door face, with the door closed.

    Need to see the door gap, and the hinge depth

    k.


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    kadman
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    each hinge leaf should be flush or slightly below the depth of the frame and door.

    I.E. hinge leaf thickness 1mm, depth should be 1.2mm


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    jmBuildExt
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    +1 on the pic
    Is the door actually hitting the frame when the hinges are tightened up (and door is hanging square to the frame - or close to square).
    Are you fitting new door in existing frame?

    Hinges are possibly in wrong position altogether - harder to address - you might just have to plane the top or bottom


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    sunnyday1234
    Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭sunnyday1234


    Thanks very much for the help so far

    I attached the 3 pics, just to note there was a door hanging fine here before this door and had same hinges so i would think the door frame is not the issue

    Also even when pushed the door wont close fully cos its getting stuck in one of those layers of sound reducer (i think i will remove that though)


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    sunnyday1234
    Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭sunnyday1234


    jmBuildExt wrote: »
    +1 on the pic
    Is the door actually hitting the frame when the hinges are tightened up (and door is hanging square to the frame - or close to square).
    Are you fitting new door in existing frame?

    Hinges are possibly in wrong position altogether - harder to address - you might just have to plane the top or bottom

    existing frame and previous door was hanging fine there with same hinges. I have planed the top already as it was rubbing. It looks to me like its hitting the door frame in the middle where the lock would go


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    #31
    sunnyday1234
    Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭sunnyday1234


    this is where it hits


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