First human traffickers convicted.

When will they move on the nail bars and car washes staffed by exploited non EU citizens? If you don't search for exploitation your figures for exploitation will always be low, our raids on businesses are tiny.

Vestiapx wrote: »

I don't agree. The customers may not be aware that the women are unwilling participants. There was a thread in the ask me anything I read recently where a woman stayed that she made a good living as a sex worker and she seems empowered in the current situation which is without regulation how is a customer supposed to differentiate between an unwilling participant and a willing one ?

I suppose the argument for legalising prostitution is a good one in many ways. Its safer for the women involved and cuts out the criminal element to a large extent if its all regulated. It probably falls under a similar banner to legalising drugs. Criminals will still try to get into the game whether it's by undercutting the market or stealing from pharmacies etc and similarly traffickers will still try to get in the game if prostitution is legalised but as a punter you'd probably pay the extra 50 quid or whatever it if meant peace of mind and more quality. A user of weed might be willing to pay more per gram if its coming from a certified place and the quality and amount are guaranteed.The downsides are there but ultimately I think legalising these things is probably the right thing to do in todays society.

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

What sort of dummies are working in immigration at the airport that can't spot a fake passport.

Seems like any kind of BS story will get non EU nationals residency here.

We are very welcoming here, more strict checks at airports needed

Nigeria, Libya, Italy and into Dublin on a forged Irish passport. Not an umcommon itinerary i'd imagine.

There's an excellent film called doing money, that's a true story about a romanian girl snatched off the street in London n forced into prostitution in Ireland.

Only happened a few years ago and no doubt happening today.
Iirc one of the pimps got done for it in Sweden and got a year or two. The punishment certainly doesn't reflect the crime.

There's more than a few ngo's that are involved in people trafficking. Their salaries could easily be broken down "per person".

Just so happens to be legal for now.

Drumorig wrote: »

Oooh a conviction. Why no mention of a sentence?

Sentencing is at a later date according to the news.
One to keep an eye on.

Vestiapx wrote: »

I don't agree. The customers may not be aware that the women are unwilling participants. There was a thread in the ask me anything I read recently where a woman stayed that she made a good living as a sex worker and she seems empowered in the current situation which is without regulation how is a customer supposed to differentiate between an unwilling participant and a willing one ?

A large proportion of prostitutes won't be willingly doing it so or having mental issues/addiction problems etc has lead them down this path.

The empowered prostitute you describe would be very rare.

No one with a conscience can justify using prostitutes.

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

I disagree , prohibition on something like prostitution is exactly what drives it into the hands of criminals who will traffic and exploit to maximise profit.


Legalise it, strictly control it, monitor it, make health screening mandatory. Whilst that will not create a perfect industry it will improve it over the current status quo.



The government needs to stop thinking of ways of taxing ordinary people , they need to get inventive and take the billions that are currently flowing into the hands of drug dealers and prostitution rings and make it legal enterprise and tax it accordingly. Its going to happen anyway it might as well be pulled out of the shadows and regulated.

Even in the Netherlands where it is regulated you still have the same issues with trafficking, women being forced into it and preyed on by pimps.

Mimon wrote: »

A large proportion of prostitutes won't be willingly doing it so or having mental issues/addiction problems etc has lead them down this path.

The empowered prostitute you describe would be very rare.

No one with a conscience can justify using prostitutes.

I would be interested in seeing some unbiased research on that.

If what you are saying is true would seem all the more reason to legalise and regulate the practise. It seems hypocritical, to me, for us to vote for bodily autonomy on one hand in the abortion referendum but deny bodily autonomy to sex workers.

It is not surprising that we see a poorly run industry with bad practises when we leave the running of the industry to the scummiest individuals in the society.

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

I would be interested in seeing some unbiased research on that.

If what you are saying is true would seem all the more reason to legalise and regulate the practise. It seems hypocritical, to me, for us to vote for bodily autonomy on one hand in the abortion referendum but deny bodily autonomy to sex workers.

It is not surprising that we see a poorly run industry with bad practises when we leave the running of the industry to the scummiest individuals in the society.

I know it is only one example but I knew a Russian prostitute in the Netherlands and she was a serious alcoholic and controlled by her German pimp.

Also knew a couple who would volunteer in a charity that would help prostitutes, they reckoned a lot of them even in a regulated environment in NL would not be doing it willingly.

Mimon wrote: »

I know it is only one example but I knew a Russian prostitute in the Netherlands and she was a serious alcoholic and controlled by her German pimp.

Also knew a couple who would volunteer in a charity that would help prostitutes, they reckoned a lot of them even in a regulated environment in NL would not be doing it willingly.

I have no doubt there are issues within the industry. The issue around coercion and control is a very difficult one to manage for example.

I wonder would a corporate model work where all the sex workers and security be employees of a company with all the rights that an employee has along with supports for the employees. This would remove the coercion element somewhat and would also eliminate the human trafficking element.

I haven't given the above much thought so probably needs a more in depth look but what is clear is that the current way the industry is run is not fit for purpose.

One thing we presumably can agree on is that it is impossible to get rid of the industry (until the sexy robots are invented )