Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

charlie14 · 08-06-2021 11:26PM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

I suppose its all being transferred on bits of paper to the mainframe?

You are registered at reception. I doubt they delete the information when you leave.
Myself and the wife were in one for a few days last week. Times for breakfast and dinner had to be booked, and no entry to the dining room or bar service without proof of residency.

JeffKenna · 08-06-2021 11:26PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

when do people think the green light might be given for nightclubs? miss a night clubbing

Awww the good old days.

normanoffside · 08-06-2021 11:29PM

In a piece clearly sponsored by ISAG (check the likes and Gerry Killeen’s comments) RTE our with more fear porn tonight saying we will need to vaccinate everyone down to and including 10 year olds to each herd immunity.

https://twitter.com/rte_primetime/status/1402367221570146305?s=21

Why are RTE still getting their info from ISAG?

Sobit1964 · 08-06-2021 11:33PM

charlie14 wrote: »

You are registered at reception. I doubt they delete the information when you leave.
Myself and the wife were in one for a few days last week. Times for breakfast and dinner had to be booked, and no entry to the dining room or bar service without proof of residency.

Jeez your living room sounds oppressive :eek:

</joke>

Sobit1964 · 08-06-2021 11:34PM

gozunda wrote: »

You mean does it happen? Ie contract tracers identifying contacts in settings with outbreaks etc.

It would appear so.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40058144.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-infections-from-funeral-led-to-a-third-of-one-restaurant-s-staff-self-isolating-1.4369704

Anything from the last 'spike'?

Sobit1964 · 08-06-2021 11:37PM

normanoffside wrote: »

In a piece clearly sponsored by ISAG (check the likes and Gerry Killeen’s comments) RTE our with more fear porn tonight saying we will need to vaccinate everyone down to and including 10 year olds to each herd immunity.

https://twitter.com/rte_primetime/status/1402367221570146305?s=21

Why are RTE still getting their info from ISAG?

I wonder why some of our resident super mathematicians have not alerted him to his failure to count?

charlie14 · 08-06-2021 11:42PM

JRant wrote: »

It's okay to admit this decision was made with economic interest at heart, nothing wrong with that at all.

As an aside, the same argument can be made for indoor and outdoor dining elsewhere. People still need to book in so the numbers are well controlled and each table gets a specific timeframe.

If it was solely for economic reasons then indoor dining and pubs would have been allowed as well.
It`s really not that complicated. On a risk assessment basis hotel dining is a pre known definite number of residents. Indoor restaurants or pubs would not have been.

Sobit1964 · 08-06-2021 11:45PM

charlie14 wrote: »

If it was solely for economic reasons then indoor dining and pubs would have been allowed as well.
It`s really not that complicated. On a risk assessment basis hotel dining is a pre known definite number of residents. Indoor restaurants or pubs would not have been.

Might you provide a cost per life 'saved', i'll take your initial numbers and work from there.

gozunda · 08-06-2021 11:46PM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Anything from the last 'spike'?

Christmas? I'd suggest do an auld Google if you want info on that.

charlie14 · 08-06-2021 11:47PM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Jeez your living room sounds oppressive :eek:

</joke>

Each to their own, but if that is your level of what passes for a joke, if I was you I wouldn`t plan on going on the comedy circuit anytime soon.

Sobit1964 · 08-06-2021 11:49PM

gozunda wrote: »

Christmas? I'd suggest do an auld Google if you want info on that.

Well you have a point to be made, can you share with us all how 'contact and trace' worked over christmas?

charlie14 · 08-06-2021 11:51PM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Might you provide a cost per life 'saved', i'll take your initial numbers and work from there.

I often wonder when people come up with something like that what value do the put on a loved ones life.
Give me your figure and I`ll see if I can work from that:rolleyes:

Sobit1964 · 08-06-2021 11:52PM

charlie14 wrote: »

Each to their own, but if that is your level of what passes for a joke, if I was you I wouldn`t plan on going on the comedy circuit anytime soon.

I'd strongly suggest that any readers avoid your commentary on 'humor' all together, as frankly your posts are rather pointlessly grim and frankly boring.

Sobit1964 · 08-06-2021 11:59PM

charlie14 wrote: »

I often wonder when people come up with something like that what value do the put on a loved ones life.
Give me your figure and I`ll see if I can work from that:rolleyes:

Grow up.

For the price of this farcical collection of halfased policies we could have saved a great many young. We only recently managed to deal with SMA in Ireland. We have real work to do with so much more.

Its been a brutal waste of money at the cost of everyone for negligible benefit.

Answer the question I asked, or get off your pot.

gozunda · 09-06-2021 12:03AM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Well you have a point to be made, can you share with us all how 'contact and trace' worked over christmas?

Lol. Nope. Not making a "point". I replied to your rather odd query about entering contact information onto a "mainframe" etc :pac:

You've now tacked on a query about the last "spike" 3 questions later.

Frankly I've no idea and funny enough my names not Google. But hey knock yourself out. I presume you have a keyboard if you really want to find out additional information ..

charlie14 · 09-06-2021 12:04AM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

I wonder why some of our resident super mathematicians have not alerted him to his failure to count?

Why would they? It is probably not that far out if herd immunity is 80% of the population.
We have 880,000 under 12`s and if you add in those that for various reasons cannot avail of vaccines then you have the other 20%.

Sobit1964 · 09-06-2021 12:05AM

gozunda wrote: »

Lol. Nope. I replied to your rather odd query about entering contact information onto a "mainframe"

You've now tacked on a query about the last "spike" 3 questions later.

But no funny enough my names not Google. But hey knock yourself out. I presume you have a keyboard if you really want to find out more ..

If you want to make a point to answer my question, then feel free to do so. Until you do so without providing out of date sources, i'll consider you a minor grifter, how's that?

CruelSummer · 09-06-2021 12:06AM

normanoffside wrote: »

In a piece clearly sponsored by ISAG (check the likes and Gerry Killeen’s comments) RTE our with more fear porn tonight saying we will need to vaccinate everyone down to and including 10 year olds to each herd immunity.

https://twitter.com/rte_primetime/status/1402367221570146305?s=21

Why are RTE still getting their info from ISAG?

Wow what a disappointing presentation from Coughlin. Would be interested to see what his sources were for this information as he doesn’t cite any.

charlie14 · 09-06-2021 12:10AM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Grow up.

For the price of this farcical collection of halfased policies we could have saved a great many young. We only recently managed to deal with SMA in Ireland. We have real work to do with so much more.

Its been a brutal waste of money at the cost of everyone for negligible benefit.

Answer the question I asked, or get off your pot.

So grand when you are throwing questions at others from atop your high horse, not so hot on answering any though.
You asked me to put an economic value on a life, so only fair I feel you give me the current economic value you place on a loved one`s life.

gozunda · 09-06-2021 12:14AM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

If you want to make a point to answer my question, then feel free to do so. Until you do so without providing out of date sources, i'll consider you a minor grifter, how's that?

Lol. Nope. Your own "point" evidently . So yeah go ahead and look up that tacked on query. Let us know your findings. I'm sure they'll be fascinating.

And btw you didn't ask for references of any particular date. But yeah christmas would also be "out of date"

So reckon you could apply the above epithet
to your own efforts tbf. How's that?

Bye.

09-06-2021 05:31AM

normanoffside wrote: »

In a piece clearly sponsored by ISAG (check the likes and Gerry Killeen’s comments) RTE our with more fear porn tonight saying we will need to vaccinate everyone down to and including 10 year olds to each herd immunity.

https://twitter.com/rte_primetime/status/1402367221570146305?s=21

Why are RTE still getting their info from ISAG?

I fail to see the problem with suggesting 90% of the population need to be vaccinated. If you are going to be offended by reasonable, if a little conservative, estimates of the level of population immunity and projections on the required immunity to stop spread completely I suggest not watching

09-06-2021 05:34AM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

I wonder why some of our resident super mathematicians have not alerted him to his failure to count?

Would be good to have a synopsis of the errors to assess. Or is it a case of not liking the number therefore concluding it’s wrong?

Lumen · 09-06-2021 06:11AM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

I wonder why some of our resident super mathematicians have not alerted him to his failure to count?

What's your analysis?

I'm not any kind of mathematician but that analysis seems fine to me.

Even Israel, which removed many restrictions at the start of March, has operated a kind of vaccine apartheid for the last three months, whilst also operating strict border biosecurity, testing and tracing and mask compulsion in indoor public spaces.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/01/world/middleeast/israel-covid-restrictions.html

Compare to the UK which is still under more significant restrictions and is fighting outbreaks, due to some combination of variants brought in by poor border security, different vaccines and lower vaccination levels.

Can you point to a country which has crushed Covid like Israel has (i.e. from a high level of infection over this last winter) without the same measured steps?

Texas is an outlier but I don't think anyone is claiming that they are near herd immunity yet, and they are probably benefiting from restrictions in surrounding states and international travel restrictions.

Stormyteacup · 09-06-2021 08:20AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I fail to see the problem with suggesting 90% of the population need to be vaccinated. If you are going to be offended by reasonable, if a little conservative, estimates of the level of population immunity and projections on the required immunity to stop spread completely I suggest not watching

I find it worrying tbh. I’ve no problem with the reasoning in that prime time report. It’s almost a hypothetical scenario to consider what level needed through vaccination alone to achieve herd immunity. Wherever this thing settles it will be as a result of the combination of vaccinations and naturally acquired immunity.

This bit stands out and almost seems a side-note;

‘Depending on the vaccine they received, they’re somewhere between 67% and 96% less likely to get a simple Covid-19 infection.’

How less likely are they to get an infection that puts them in hospital or kills them? Surely now that needs to be the measuring stick.

But the bit that makes me most uneasy is the proposed ongoing protection of herd immunity. It has massive implications for the restriction of international movement.

Complete the roll-out, research therapeutics ongoing, and have an effective track and trace system - that should be enough to satisfy the most worried among us.

It would be good if government could clarify their position on ISAG. Their views are prominent in national media but government have said before they are not pursuing a zero-covid strategy. Is this still the case?

JRant · 09-06-2021 08:27AM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

I find it worrying tbh. I’ve no problem with the reasoning in that prime time report. It’s almost a hypothetical scenario to consider what level needed through vaccination alone to achieve herd immunity. Wherever this thing settles it will be as a result of the combination of vaccinations and naturally acquired immunity.

This bit stands out and almost seems a side-note;

‘Depending on the vaccine they received, they’re somewhere between 67% and 96% less likely to get a simple Covid-19 infection.’

How less likely are they to get an infection that puts them in hospital or kills them? Surely now that needs to be the measuring stick.

But the bit that makes me most uneasy is the proposed ongoing protection of herd immunity. It has massive implications for the restriction of international movement.

Complete the roll-out, research therapeutics ongoing, and have an effective track and trace system - that should be enough to satisfy the most worried among us.

It would be good if government could clarify their position on ISAG. Their views are prominent in national media but government have said before they are not pursuing a zero-covid strategy. Is this still the case?

The government are following an 'abundance of caution' approach with slight incremental easing of restrictions over a prolonged period of time. This, coupled with a noticable slowdown of first doses and dialing back of vaccine numbers (remember the heady days of hitting over 300k per week) probably means we will still see significant restrictions until October.

JRant · 09-06-2021 08:44AM

charlie14 wrote: »

If it was solely for economic reasons then indoor dining and pubs would have been allowed as well.
It`s really not that complicated. On a risk assessment basis hotel dining is a pre known definite number of residents. Indoor restaurants or pubs would not have been.

I'll take "things I never said" for 500, please Bob.

It's incredible how it keeps happening in this thread. I didn't say it was solely taken for economic reasons but that they were at the heart of the decision.

Don't Chute! · 09-06-2021 08:46AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Seeing the crowd in Budapest, having beers in the stands and not a mask in sight, it feels like we are on a different planet here.

It’s ok, they all cycled or walked to the stadium.

Masala · 09-06-2021 09:04AM

Can someone help me on this query.

How many can attend an indoor meeting now? We want to hold an AGM for our sports club and can’t find out how many can be allowed in?.. also is there a time limit and other restrictions still apply (2 meters per searpt) etc

If we move to July or August.... would that allow more...??

Many thanks

09-06-2021 09:22AM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

I find it worrying tbh. I’ve no problem with the reasoning in that prime time report. It’s almost a hypothetical scenario to consider what level needed through vaccination alone to achieve herd immunity. Wherever this thing settles it will be as a result of the combination of vaccinations and naturally acquired immunity.

This bit stands out and almost seems a side-note;

‘Depending on the vaccine they received, they’re somewhere between 67% and 96% less likely to get a simple Covid-19 infection.’

How less likely are they to get an infection that puts them in hospital or kills them? Surely now that needs to be the measuring stick.

But the bit that makes me most uneasy is the proposed ongoing protection of herd immunity. It has massive implications for the restriction of international movement.

Complete the roll-out, research therapeutics ongoing, and have an effective track and trace system - that should be enough to satisfy the most worried among us.

It would be good if government could clarify their position on ISAG. Their views are prominent in national media but government have said before they are not pursuing a zero-covid strategy. Is this still the case?

By achieving the target for herd immunity, you dont just protect those in whom the vaccine is effective, you also protect hose who cannot be vaccinated and those in whom the vaccine has not been effective, who will disproportionately be the most vulnerable to any infection. That's why achieving the level required for "herd immunity" is important

09-06-2021 09:23AM

Masala wrote: »

Can someone help me on this query.

How many can attend an indoor meeting now? We want to hold an AGM for our sports club and can’t find out how many can be allowed in?.. also is there a time limit and other restrictions still apply (2 meters per searpt) etc

If we move to July or August.... would that allow more...??

Many thanks

Surely an AGM is one of the easiest things to manage online?

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